ISDN/Ping Levels

[Digriz]

Im sorry if im repeating myself here
but i still need help setting up my ISDN
TA.cant seem to get pings below 100
at all.. Have set everything up as far as i know
DUN is correctly configured..Am using
S registers to Force the V120 protocol
has anybody got experience with the BT Speedway external TA and how to get the bugger running quickly.

I would have gone for a PCI version but alas no PCI slots left.. sob sob

So, once again i ask for some advice..

Thanks & Regards

Digriz
aka Ashanti

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[Cara]

Am sorry but I made no alterations to my TA and I get pings as low as 55 which am told is good for an external. I dont think you can do much with a TA cos the box does a lot of the work for it. Ah, not like my old modem...sniff...
You checked out the websites I suppose and you have DUN1.3. Nope sorry I aint much help perhaps you should buy another TA? it may even be a fault on it?

[Digriz]

I appreciate what your saying there mate.. bu ti really need to find someone who has
got a speedway TA...Im using the Win98 DUN and as far as i know that is the latest..

So once again before i make TA pie, can anyone offer some advice.. apart from the usual put in the barby mate..

Cheers

Digriz
aka Ashanti

[Elethiomel]

Digriz,

Err..what game are we talking about here? 'cos if it's Quake2/Quake/Halflife/Unreal then there's no way you should be using the V.120 standard. That's an analogue thing, and you should only have to use it for the Rapidplay channel. If you're using the Gamesworld channel, then you should be using it as a digital device. Unfortunately, I don't have a speedway card so I don't know what it will be installed as. However, on my Columbus TA it's called an ITK Wan Miniport..you should have something similar somehwhere in your DUN settings. Choose this for Gamesworlds.

That's about all I know about..I don't use rapidplay much.

Elethiomel

[Digriz]

Funnily enough, it was the WP guys who told me to set it upas v120..

doh..

I dont know.. ok, ill just use PPP over ISDN
im sure that it will work better

Thanks

Digriz

[Cara]

I wasnt much help but as I think about it, the external shouldnt be much different to the interanl speedway, yes? if that true I recommend you try and get hold of fragem, I know he plays Q1 and he owns an internal speedway. I cant give you his email as it wouldnt be polite without asking. If you still get stuck leave a post up and I'll mail him to see if he minds! http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif.
BTW from my settings my TA is using V120 so maybe that aint the problem, I also use PPP.

[Elethiomel]

Err..Cara, are you using v.120 for the Gamesworld channel? Do you mean it's set up to use v.120 in the WP client, or in the DUN connection? If it's the former, then it's only using V.120 for the Rapidplay connect..the Gamesworld channel uses whatever you've got set in the DUN properties for WP. I can't see how you'd get a low ping using v.120...umm...unless you have an external TA? In any case, you're probably using PPP over ISDN in your DUN settings, or whatever the equivalent for your TA is. Which is fine http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif.

Ele

[Cara]

Ele, I refer you to my first reply in this thread. Its all to technical for me and I only stuck my nose in because I think a steady ping of over 100 for ISDN is cruel and wanted to make an effort to help. After all I got good help from this board off Garion and Fragem. Comms is wierd stuff I built my last 3 PC's, plugged bits in n took bits out, but comms is an evil art that requires more than the basic lego knowledge to build PC's.
Just as well dudes like you are around http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif.

[Digriz]

ok well i am using an external TA as advised
and as cara mentions, I am getting 120+ Pings
on q2..

I have tried setting DUN up as both V120 and PPP over ISDN, even RAS .. but no major
differences... so, where do i go now..

Any comms specialists out there..

come one show yourselves.

Digriz


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[Digriz]

ok, one other thing ive tried, binding the dial up adapter to NDIS WAN, now that is mentioned in the err should i say this.. hmm
Barrysworld ISDN FAQ, so maybe the techies on Wireplay could do the best ever ISDN FAQ
get the boys at martlesham to come up with the goods.

Ive searched over 300 sites to find information on ISDN and to be honest a lot of it is contradictory, so BT guys, what you got to say then

Regards

Digriz


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[spike]

Ok ill see if i can help - i have an internal speedway card and have it set in the DUN as ISDN internet (ppp over isdn).

Now i also have a few people in my clan that have external TA'a and they also get pings of around 100 ( i get around 60-70) after talking to a few comms doods they have given us the folowing explantion.

An external TA will always hae a higher ping than an internal one - this is due to it using the serial port thus it takes longer for the signal to reach the server and back (having to go thourgh serial port, TA - rather than the nice speedy PCI port).

I think you may not be able to get a lower ping than 100 - cara may just be lucky - however ping isnt everything - you should still be getting a good bandwith and thus your gameing should still be smoother.

Spike

[Cara]

Hey I got a lucky external modem! its a Hayes Accura ISDN.
I have got to mention one thing in spikes message that contradicts what I have been told. The only time an internal gets the upper hand over an external is if there is channel bonding and the speed is 128k, and thats because the speed of the serial port is 115, if the speed is 64k then there are no advantages to an internal because its within the range of the serial port for the external. Now as someone who aint technical that makes perfect sense, unless of course, you know different. Like I said before its an evil science http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[Elethiomel]

Me again..o.k., well I'm not a comms specialist, but I'll do my best with what limited knowledge I do have http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif.

There's no reason for you to have a ping that high in Quake2, External TA or otherwise.
You mention RAS in your last post. You're not using Windows NT are you?

There's not much you can fiddle with in the DUN settings for ISDN (other than stuff like the bindings). So...do you have Quake 2 itself set up properly? Here's some basic tips (I don't know too much about Quake2, as I mostly play Quake, but these are Quake2 specific settings).

Set cl_maxfps to 31 (unless you've got a really fast pc with 2 V2's or something)

Set rate to about 3500 (I think...experiment with lower/higher settings).

(Hope those don't sound patronising..just trying to cover all the bases http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif)

Of the protocols you mentioned, PPP over ISDN is the one to go for for Quake2. In my settings, NDISWAN is bound to my ISDN device, and TCP/IP to the Dial-up adapter.

Make sure that the only box ticked on the "server types" dialogue (DUN->right-click Wireplay ->Properties ->server types) is TCP/IP. You could try enabling software compression, that used to help on my modem but I don't think it should on ISDN. Although, like Cara says, Comms is an evil science and anything is possible).

And some more questions...
How are you connecting to Wireplay? Through the Client or straight through DUN (the last one is only possible if you've subscribed to BTinternet)?

Have you tried playing over the net?
Are pings any better?

Finally, if none of that helps mail me at chris.norwood@gnorwood.demon.co.uk with a full list of your settings and available settings and I'll see if I can recreate your problem on my TA.

Byeeee

Ele

P.S. Cara...your post sort of sounds like you think I might have been having a go at you, which I wasn't...or maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick...just wanted to make sure you were getting the best connection possible. Very altruistic of me, eh? http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif.

[LADYQUAKE]

I have an external Zyxel Omni.net D and the best pings I get for Quake 2 (on 64K) is between 120-160.

If anyone has any suggestions to get my ping lower, that would be great.

thanks.

[Cara]

Ele, sorry if the post sounded defensive, its just that you must have missed my first reply about my external TA and I do get a bit pedantic. I wasnt offended, it just reads that way! http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[Digriz]

Yep, q2 settings are the same,

I always acces through the client and as for
the internet, the pings are almost the same,
and hardly consistant.. so i dunno where im
at with regards to sorting it out though..

Oh well

Cheers

Digriz


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[Cara]

Someone at work mentioned that sometimes the speed of the computer makes a difference to a TA, and sometimes the software that comes with the TA overwrites something in the registry that windows 98 uses but not win 95,I use win 95.

[Digriz]

Come one then something ?...

Any chance of a little more of an in depth
description here mate?.

Thanks

Digriz


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[pob0000]

digriz...post a message on the qboard...people there use the speedway ta...think brit.24elf does (his name's something like that) and his pings were fine. There are quite a few that use them.

ppp. use ppp. even if it did make, er, no difference...don't think anyone ever had a good ping with v120. ever.

[Cara]

Wish I could tell you more but I have no idea what changes in the registry it could make, I suppose you could try re-installing dun1.3 over it and see what happens.Or if you were a real lover of pain, re install win98...or win95 even. I dont suppose you had a copy of your registry before you installed your TA you could compare them?

[Digriz]

Ahhhh thats what they mean by backup your registry...
well.. as most people with a flippant attitude to the world of computers, NO!!
i havent got it...

So I have the following questions to ask

1) What should settings be for Rapidplay
2) What should settings be for Gamesworld
3) Using Win 98, what should FIFO buffer
settings be?
4) If win 98 has DUN settings overwritten
by ISDN information, What is changed
5) Would running tweakdun on my system
have anything at all to do with my
problem?

Answers on a postcard to: My ISDN TA is really a toaster!

Regards


Digriz


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[Cara]

Er,last ditch attempt, try adding
ATS87.2=0 to the extra settings in DUN thats what its got in my manual anyways.

[Jamester]

Hi all.

I've just been thru the whole process of getting HH and I went for an external Zyxel Omni-Net Data because a friend who works for Hayes assured me that it is a rebadged Accura.

Anyway, I am getting a ping of less than a 100, and often down to 65,70. I was worried about an external being slower, but the ping seems the same as anyone else who is using ISDN on WP, or at least very close.

The only restriction that I have found out about is that with an ext TA you are limited by the serial port to 115 as Cara said.

One setting that dropped me from 120 to -100 was I enabled software compression in the TCP/IP setting section for the Wireplay DUN. Interestingly enough, I sometimes get a ping of 55 on Barrysworld using my Pipex connection. This is all set to use PPP on my TA.

Hope some of this helps,

[LCA].Jamester

[Cara]

Yep, I have heard its a rebadged hayes too, nice eh?

[Cable]

Hi I have an internal Speedway and ISDN HH and have pings of over 100! I have read through this board and am no better off. As far as i am aware I have set everything up properly. I am using PPP over ISDN and use header compression, anyone help?

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[K FLINT]

On what game cable???

On Quake 2 i usually get between 65-85 but Half-Life normally gives in the region of 115.

K FLINT

[Cable]

Flint, I am getting between 90 - 135 on Quake II. I get less than that on Barrysworld but not much. Anything I am doing wrong? I see others with less piing and after spending a small fortune on ISDN I am desperate to get the ping I am only dreaming of http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Cheers in advance

Cable

[K FLINT]

To be honest Cable i don't know a lot about ISDN, seemed to get a decent ping by mistake http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Anyway, when i intially set up Quake 2 i got all the info from here: www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/ (http://www.voodooextreme.com/3Fingers/)

What i do know is that it's important to limit your frames-per-second to no more then '31' and you should set your 'Rate' to about 5000 for ISDN (in your Q2 autoexec.cfg file)

Not much use i know but like i say, it just happened by default.

Also if you have probs on Rapid Play Channel don't worry, your not the only one http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/frown.gif (Don't through away that old analogue modem just yet m8)

K FLINT

[This message has been edited by K FLINT (edited 15-01-99).]

[Cara]

Cable look at your connection setting in your q2 options, set it to single ISDN this automatically makes changes to your .cfg.
Incidentally, were you supernukem once?

[Cable]

Thanx for the advice, I shall go tinker.

And as for the name Cara then soz that wasn't me (would I admit to that name though ?) http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif