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Slime
31-08-1999, 00:11
Ned,

What are you dialling into ?

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 10:53
I always get disconnected from wp direct when playing q2 after around an hour but not always, they come when I'm winning usually http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif
Anyway is this just wp with my modem (pace internal 56k) or is there something I can do. I read you help someone by using their log file or summit please could you spare some expert advice my way, thanks a lot, ned
Slime
31-08-1999, 11:02
(where's a phonebox when you need one http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif

Ned,

We could enable your modem log and look at what's happening....but....i have seen a good few messages about Q2 disconnects recently and it strikes me that this might not be a coincidence.

Can you check around the Quake/Help Desk forums for the other postings as i don't know if WP might have acknowledged that there is something wrong with the Q2 service at the moment.

If you can't find anything, come back and we'll work on the premise that it's your modem (which i don't think is).

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 11:11
Slime m8, i didn't say this also happens in tfc which is the only other game I play, but how do I do the log thing?
cheers, ned
P.S. There doesn't seem to be any word from wp that its their fault, I posted a message on the help desk - no reply.
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 11:13
also could you tell me what the init string is for my pace 56 voice internal to limit connection to 44000 since I get a ping of 10 or 15 lower at this speed, cheer, ned
Slime
31-08-1999, 11:29
Ned,

Oh ! How longs that been happening mate ?

I'll have to check for the init string (unless Tiger is around and he might know straight away).

In the meantime, here's how to enable a log file on your modem :-

My computer, dial-up networking, (right click) the DUN you want to work on, select properties, configure, connection, advanced.
You should now have an "Advanced connection settings" window.

Tick the box that says "Append to Log" (might be "record a log file" in Win95).

Now, each time you connect to the net some of the modem dialog (modem initialisation, call setup, handshaking blah blah blah) will be recorded into a log file.

The log file is usually called "mymodemname".log. e.g my modem is setup as "Diamond Supra", so i have a "Diamond Supra.log" file.

Then connect to WP and do whatever you want to do. If/when you get disconnected, go and look at your modem log file and see if it helps you figure out what caused the disconnection.

Cheers
Slime

P.S When you don't need it any more - UNtick the "record a log file" as it can get quite big if left.
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 11:36
happening ever since I've been playing, a few months I think, but i started after the change over, ok I'll do that tonight but not now, no one is there plus its 5p a min. I had an hsp pci before and I don't think it happened but then I didn't play as much as now with my lovely pace. Hee hee heres something for ya, just now I got a ping of 93 in q2 while stading still on an empty server, pretty cool huh? http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif cheers, ned
Slime
31-08-1999, 11:40
Ned,

OK - here's the string (i think) to limit your connect speed :-

AT+MS = 12,1,41333,45333

This tells it to use V.90 (12), with a minimum speed of 41333 and a max of 45333. You can't use 44000 as it is not a V.90 speed.

You add this to your "extra settings" box in your "advanced connection settings" (where you will be ticking the log file things).

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 11:54
I tried
AT+MS = 12,1,44000,44000 and it has limited it to 44000, is this not v90 in that case or what? shall I leave it on mine or change to your suggestion? cheers, ned
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 13:49
into wp direct m8, both through the client and through ie4 which I've set up to use the wp direct dun. when I did 41333 to 45333 it dialled 42667 which isn't what I want so... thanks for you help though, I'll post the result of my log when I next time out tonight cheers, ned http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif
Slime
31-08-1999, 13:58
Hmmm, interesting it connected at 44000 when that's not supposed to be a V90 speed.

I guess it's not a speed at which V90 would negotiate by default, although it can (as you demonstrated) use it if necessary.

Cheers
Slime

P.S You don't have call waiting on your phone line do you ?
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 15:33
how would I check If I have old fella? I don't think I do have it enabled though
Slime
31-08-1999, 15:39
Ned,

When you are talking on the phone, do you get a bleep when someone else is trying to call you ?

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 16:00
No I don't think so Slime m8. But while I'm here, and wished I had a phone box, I could have sorted this in 5 minutes http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif, I have loads of questions to ask you:
I have a huge extension going down my stairs to another one which connects into the master socket, is this going to affect my ping a lot? is it worth the hassle of rearranging my house? Also i get pings of roughly 150 on quake2 and on tfc I get pings of 130- 250 which seems to be pretty good for tfc but what setting do you use that make a difference in your autoexec? Cheers for all your time, ned
Slime
31-08-1999, 16:26
Ned,

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I have a huge extension going down my stairs
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Size is'nt important mate http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif

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is this going to affect my ping a lot?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would'nt think so, but it probably depends how long the extension is. I use a 10ft extension and it does'nt seem to add any ping.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR>
what setting do you use that make a difference in your autoexec?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't play Q2, but i do TFC.
I don't allow decals, i limit the number of blood and guts (to 200 i think), i set fps_modem at 30, i use a rate of 4000 and a pushlantency of -125. Sorry i don't have the exact commands at hand - i can email you the whole autoexec if you need it.

BTW - AFAIK you have to run your autoexec.cfg every time you start the game (i.e. within the console type
"exec autoexec.cfg", or the settings will not take effect.).

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
31-08-1999, 19:54
Here it is m8, the moment you've been waiting for, and strangely enough, although append a log is not on, I found that when I switched it on it just created a second log file which did nothing, and the original gave me the info I needed, annoying that it decided to record it permanently without my permission though. ok here goes:-

Pace 56 Voice Internal in use.
Modem type: Pace 56 Voice Internal
Modem inf path: MDMPMC56.INF
Modem inf section: PACE_1
115200,N,8,1
115200,N,8,1
Initializing modem.
Send: AT&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: AT&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Send: AT&FE0V1Q0&C1&D2S95=46S0=0&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: AT&FE0V1Q0&C1&D2S95=46S0=0&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Send: ATS7=58S30=0L1M0\N%C&K3BN0X4&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Dialing.
Send: ATDT;&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Dialing.
Send: ATDT###########&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;NO CARRIER&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: No Carrier
Hanging up the modem.
Send: ATH&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
115200,N,8,1
Session Statistics:
Reads : 74 bytes
Writes: 85 bytes
Pace 56 Voice Internal closed.

Here it wouldn't connect at first - try again:

Pace 56 Voice Internal in use.
Modem type: Pace 56 Voice Internal
Modem inf path: MDMPMC56.INF
Modem inf section: PACE_1
115200,N,8,1
115200,N,8,1
Initializing modem.
Send: AT&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: AT&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Send: AT&FE0V1Q0&C1&D2S95=46S0=0&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: AT&FE0V1Q0&C1&D2S95=46S0=0&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Send: ATS7=58S30=0L1M0\N%C&K3BN0X4&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Dialing.
Send: ATDT;&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
Dialing.
Send: ATDT###########&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;CARRIER 45333&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Informative
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;PROTOCOL: NONE&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Informative
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;CONNECT 45333&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Connect
Connection established at 45333bps.
Error-control off or unknown.
Data compression off or unknown.
Remote modem hung up.
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;NO CARRIER&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: No Carrier
Hanging up the modem.
Send: ATH&lt;cr&gt;
Recv: &lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;OK&lt;cr&gt;&lt;lf&gt;
Interpreted response: Ok
115200,N,8,1
Session Statistics:
Reads : 6466903 bytes
Writes: 2046748 bytes
Pace 56 Voice Internal closed.

Please could you help me make sense of it, cheers for your help m8, your a pal, ned
Slime
31-08-1999, 22:35
Ned,

Did the second attempt connect then you played, then it disconnected ? It's hard to tell without the times showing.

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
01-09-1999, 10:56
sorry I thought they'd confuse you, but you were right, it was the second attempt that connected ok then I played tfc for about an hour I think, when it froze and I went back to the desktop to find it had disconnected.
I can't get the times now, the log has deleted that day yesterday, it only keeps about two connections down the line, damn that remote modem, cheers, ned
Slime
01-09-1999, 11:02
Ned,

Did you have the speed restricted to 44000 when it disconnected ?

Cheers
Slime
Slime
01-09-1999, 13:32
Ned,

OK - a couple of theories about what might be happening :-

1. The modem might be retraining (i.e. renogotiating the line speed) periodically.
If it cannot negotiate a speed at which it is happy, 3 consecutive times, then it will drop the line.

My suggestions to fix this are :-

a) To enforce the line speed by using the init command you used yesterday (i.e. limit it to 44000 then hopefully it will only use this speed).

http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/stare.gif Try this command in your extra settings box :- AT%E0

This should disable retraining altogether, so it will not try and negotiate different speeds, and might therefore not drop the line. Apologies if this command does'nt work...but i'm not 100% sure of the syntax.

2. You may be losing carrier (due to line noise) for a fraction of a second, causing the line to drop.

My suggestion for this is to add this init command into your extra settings (replacing the one that forces it to connect at 44000) :-

ATS10=28

This will increase the time that your modem will hold the line, in the event of a carrier loss.
The value of 28 should double the timout value that is currently being used.

Try these (in the order they are suggested) and we'll see if things improve.

Finally.....i think there are probably some other tweaks we can do to improve your speed and ping rate, but we'll work on that if we solve the disconnection problem.

Cheers
Slime

[This message has been edited by Slime (edited 01-09-1999).]
nedflanders77
01-09-1999, 15:52
I didn't have the speed restricted to 44000 at the time so I'll put in the at+ms yada yada 44000, 44000 and I'll get back to you to say whether I still timed out. It may be worth noting that it always take quite a long time to happen, usually over an hour of playing, thanks ever so much for your help old pal, but the connection limiting is the thing to do first is it? cheers, ned
Slime
01-09-1999, 16:26
Ned,

Yeah mate - do it in the order that it's in my message.

BTW - what spec PC you got (O/S, RAM, CPU, extra cards etc etc).

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
01-09-1999, 17:06
SO do I do limit it to 44000, then your command which your unsure of to stop it renegotiaiting, then the one to hold the line longer, which is most likely the one that'll help, since my highest connection is 46667 which means the line isn't too good doesn't it?
My specs are
P2 300
128 mb ram
win 98
ati rage2 agp
righteous 3d voodoo 1 4mb
thats it
p.s. is the ati enough to run hl in 3dfx?
cheers, ned
Slime
01-09-1999, 17:24
Ned,

Yep - try limitiing it to 440000 first, then try and play online.

(if that does'nt work) replace the 12,1,44000,44000.... command with the "AT%E0" command, then try and play online.

(if that does'nt work) replace the AT%e0 command with "ATS10=28", then try and play online.

i.e. Use only one of the commands in the "extra settings box" at a time.

Finally.....and this is a serious suggestion http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif
If all of these fail, and you still get disconnected, try taking the cover off your PC to let more air into it. I'm wondering if it overheats (hence it usually takes a while before it happens). You are not overclocking the CPU are you ?

Cheers
Slime

[This message has been edited by Slime (edited 01-09-1999).]
nedflanders77
01-09-1999, 21:41
No I'm not overclocking m8, I'm just about to proceed with pahse one though, I'm off to a tfc server to get my ass kicked for a while. Do you think I need a huge big heat sink fan then? hmmm. I did get a motherboard suitable for p3's when my old one was distoyed by a virus along with most of the pc. cheers, ned
nedflanders77
01-09-1999, 21:55
this is the innit string I found on someone else's post, yours caused my modem to stop responding which is bad - at+ms=12,0,41333,41333
nedflanders77
02-09-1999, 00:14
Too early to know m8, but i was playing smoothly for about an hour and 20 mins so things look promising. And to celebrate I got top frags in two consecutive games http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif Hope this works though cheers m8, ned
Slime
02-09-1999, 00:21
http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/shades.gif

(i always like to use that icon !)

Great mate - which command were you using ? The one that limits your speed ?

Cheers
Slime

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Slime's Modem&DUN guide (http://home.clara.net/sflatt/modemsetup.htm)
Slime
02-09-1999, 10:06
Ned,

What happened mate ? Any better ?

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
02-09-1999, 14:37
its the at+ms 12 1 44000 44000
p.s. I'll go to your site, and hope to improve my ping, though I've tweaked most things already, cheers again, ned
still not certain wether that worked though, but so far so good. http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/shades.gif
nedflanders77
03-09-1999, 11:23
You still checking this psot old man?
Yesterday again no disconnections, but it froze for quite a while which hasn't happened more than a couple of times ever before.(?)
Any ideas how to lower my ping?
cheers, ned
Slime
03-09-1999, 11:51
Still here mate. Good news about your connection not dropping out now.

Check out my web site, and make sure everything is configured as i recommend for WP Direct (software compression selected under server types, do NOT select compress data under advanced connection etc etc).

What kind of ping rate you getting now ?

Cheers
Slime
nedflanders77
03-09-1999, 21:04
I get a ping of around 150 - 250 on tfc at the moment but I think I have all the options you've got on your page, any other ideas? cheers, ned