Hang on Hang on HANG ON!!! ADSL is NOT going to be £40

[I HATE BT]

look, why does everybody think that ADSL is going to be £40 a month.,.. thats the wholeseller price NOT the retail price

BT are going to sell there own ADSL lines to ISPs, the ISPs will charge somthing like £80-£200 a month!!!!

You cant trust BT!!!
oh yeah that screaming net is susppose to be quite good now

Cheers


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BT are overpriced scum!!!

[Skitzo]

Now I fail to see the point in anybody charging £80 a month for ADSL - nobody would buy it.

I think it's more likely to be £40 or less and not more.

Now quit moaning please http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[I HATE BT]

argh, nobody couldent afford ISDN back in the eightes and they still relased it!! http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/tongue.gif

If it is 40 a month.. then its great!!!.. but it will be miles over 40

everybody thinks that im a t w a t cause i hate bt

but this is true!

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BT are overpriced scum!!!

[Skitzo]

Well we will soon see won't we.... http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[[r0bCaTTeRa11]]

Hmmm ADSL would be graet but BT seems to think that the best way to please their customers are itemised phone bills and nice adverts. ha BT is the worst operator in Europe and America and thats a fact, high prices and **** service. You do know that BT operators are trained to put the phone down on difficult questions; I phoned up asking for Automatic Gain Control to be turned off and they said that that wasn't possible and hung up!

[Skitzo]

Well Cable And Wireless are just as bad I think, they promise to call back but never do http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/frown.gif

My phone line is still slow and unreliable - so much for promises eh?

[The Marquis]

Is ISDN worth the bother?? Is it any faster than regular analogue?? HELP ME I don't know what to do!!

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[embattle]

Thought you knew that the £40 was only the ISP price. Final price is likely to start £50 at least.

[OHDEAR]

BT are not gonna push ADSL they've just spent all that money trying to get us all interested in Home Highway. With ADSL BT are going to target Business users not Gameheads like me and you. BT made a decision, Home Highway is for us gamers, ADSL is for business hence these high prices. If you're a rich gamehead go ahead, if not (most of us) look at other options, Cable or whatever.
Vote with your feet ppl

[Duskwalker]

Hi, I'm from Canada and found all these posts very interesting. It does indeed sound like you'll be getting screwed with the cost of cable and adsl connections in England. Here in British Columbia, many areas have had cable access for almost 2 years and dsl is only recently getting decent coverage. I have had dsl (xdsl actually, not adsl) and I now have cable. In Canada and the US, (though their money is worth 1.5x ours now) both cable and dsl costs $40 a month, about 20 pounds I guess. In a large city with many, many users, dsl is definitely better than cable unless the cable company has a lot of nodes in the area. In B.C., the cable company (Shaw Cable) is really on top of everything and seems to be adding new nodes all the time to keep up with the increased user base, so we've had it pretty good here even in heavily populated areas like Vancouver.

I am not aware of the availability or speed of cable and adsl in England, but overall I have been happier with cable. I have always been able to upload faster with cable than dsl (which I do a lot of) and I've had download speeds up to 420kilobytes/second. Yes, I said BYTES, not bits. That's at least...umm...3.36Mbits/second, one third of the network card's capacity. But then, here in the Great White North, we need very reliable comm links because of the distances and empty terrain.

Just wanted to give a North American perspective on the issue. You must have nasty communications companies there. That would be like paying $80 a month here -- totally unacceptable! No one would pay for it at that rate.

[Mad Ad]

Businesses will buy it just because its BT.

[Glide, TTS]

thats because the version of ADSL BT are implementing is aimed at business use not at gameheads... there is too much time between a data request and the beginning of data transfer with ADSL to get good quality gaming in... you will have about the same latency as an analogue modem... same with satellite provision... fast data transfer rates but a lag between the request and the start of transfer...
there is a version of ADSL that is good for gaming but BT seem reluctant to implement it... they have done trials of both

[This message has been edited by Glide, TTS (edited 12-09-1999).]

[Blow Dog]

get lost

[Feathers]

I'm sorry but i've gotta say this.

BT must have their heads up their fat backsides if they think that gamesplayers will be fobbed off with a crappy system like 'Home Highway' oooh, whoopey 64k downloads speeds, whoopy fekin doo!! Its games players which need the larger bandwiths to accomodate our games and the large numbers using them. Why the hell would business's want ADSL, they'd probably better off with home highway !!!!!

Anyone who has bought home highway is either rich enough to afford to pay 2 phone calls (like BT thought we wouldn't notive/mind)
or very silly just for a poxy 64k/sec when ADSL can offer 2-3 mb a sec, doh!! WTF do they think we want for gods sake.

BT need to either open their feckin eyes and stop trying to fill their own pockets. For once its not even the shareholders benifitiing by their high prices and stupid decisions, i sould know!!!

I hope someone from BT reads this cos they've got a monopoly on the market, never mind the bull about competition, there is none. Why the hell don't they speak to someone from Wireplay about what people want fer gods sake, they DID own it for a couple of years.

GOOOOOODDDDDD HOOOOOWWWWWWW CAAAAAAAAAN PEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPLLLLLLEEEEEE BEEEEEEEEEE SOOOOOOOOOO ARRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGEEEEEEEEENNNNNTTTTTT AAAAANNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDD SSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahem , thats all i have to say about that....

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The Flying Tigers Air Attack Squadron (http://flyingtigerssqn.cjb.net/)

[Dirtbird]

It's arrogant http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/tongue.gif

Anyway, you were right all along, I hate BT - they have thrown the domestic ASDL market straight in the bin.

Fûck em.

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[Gordon F]

Well i say stick with CABLE it only cost roughly £25 a month no matter how much you use it it should get you a nice ping of 40-50
(that is if WP doesnt mess with it) and people at WP seem to be trying to implement it.cross ya fingers folks!!!

[Oldwolf]

Hi there folks,
I haven't read all the thread, so i may have missed somebody elses comments like mine. if so soz.
I spoke to BT earlier this week and obtained the following info.
1. ASDL will start in London and kinda radiate out in the first instance (i guess this is where it's being trialed at the mo).
2. Cost is likely to be in the region of 40 pounds a month with no additional charges currently expected for us domestic consumer types.
3. No firm dates have been agreed as yet although they hope its sooner rather than later.
4. they did give me an address to go and look at and i think it was as follows, although I havent checked it out yet,
http:\\www.bt.com\asdl\Info
It could be a .co.uk address.

[TFA] Oldwolf

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[Baxter2000]

thankyou oldwolf, finally someone has stopped listening to the rumours about high price plans. I have been asking around for a month or two now and EVERYONE (including BT) have said that the consumer price plan will be £40 pound a month that you pay to your ISP (no doubt it will be a lot simpler using BT though!). If you want to check go to www.bt.com/adsl (http://www.bt.com/adsl)

[LTD-DWC] Baxter

[Richtofen]

Only other problem with the proposed ADSL service is that BT reckon only about 400 exchanges will be hooked into it, and then only if there is enough interest to make it worthwhile.
I wonder what reply I will get from BT after Expressing an interest.
Mind u , I haven't heard back from my local cable firm which is rolling out hi speed access imminently

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