In the interests of fairness....

[Russdy]

To quote Uprising

Streaky - we would love to but everyone has to have a fair shot and the place has to have balance. This is not just a Q1/Q2 party.I for one prefer strategy.

"everyone has to have a fair shot"? well, in my book that means whoever signs up first (I.E. wants to go more, is around more, is a more regular customer etc.) should be allowed to go, not discrimated against due to their preference in games. I know that there is talk of extending the QW allocation, but what if we then reach a limit of 150 QW players, when only 4 ppl have signed up for 'other'? do we still reserve 70 slots for other games.

I'm not critiscising (much http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif) and I dont want to knock you guys cos I think everything else about this looks fookin sorted, but my best friend wants to come. He came to the last one, is a devoted WP customer, but because he is at uni and I could not contact him (or sign up for him) he could not be on the list. Now he may not be able to come. I understand that Wireplay want alot of publicity from this probably, and that QW isnt good for this cos it's old hat, but in the interests of fairness this booking system should be open to anyone regardless of game.

IMO

I havent seen a list yet of QW players, but from what I hear in the community, at least 60 people more than last time wish to come, plus last time there was 80 or 90 odd. Very few of these will not be returning. Think back to which players made the last similar LAN in Birmingham a success and think of the word 'loyalty'. QW, nothing more nothing less.

Oh, and on the subject of net players, I would not want to see any Wireplayer regardless of game be prevented from coming to a full event (hypothetically) because some net 'celebrity' player or 6 has been asked to come. Last time they sat alone in a corner, spoke to virtually no-one abused a well known wireplayer (one of them did, infamously) and insisted on playing on settings which made them outright favourites to win in the big game we had.

The words 'Thresh' 'Q2DM1', 'Quakeadelica' and 'FARCE' come to mind. These players are great publicity, but for the paying customers they do nothing to enhance the event at all. And some of them have critiscised Wireplay and Wireplayers heavily in the past.


There we are, my tuppence worth, plz post yer opposition/support and WP d00ds, dont take offence, this is gonna rawk, I just hope U rethink ticket allocations.

Cheque is already in the post.......


RUss

[This message has been edited by Russdy (edited 21-01-99).]

[Gadget]

'Russ tells it like it is' http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

I second that motion

[Uprising]

Russdy- this is not some exercise in discrimination. Well, it is positive dicrimination. When I say 'fair shot' you should bear in mind that for other WP games the word of mouth is not as quick and the communities not as tight as Quake and so they may take longer to hear about things. I consider it wholly fair on non -Quake players that I don't at least give them a chance to get a space because I know full well that we could have had the vast majority of the party playing Quake. I'm not dumping on loyal customers either. Under any system people will consider things unfair, but in this case I have spend loads of time trying to consult with others in the fairest route- and I still lose in your eyes. Lastly, I have actually not made this party for any publicity, infact it is the last thought. Some journos may want to come, but frankly my motivation is simply to get a good cross section of the community. Lastly, I don't understand why you are talking about net players because I'm not gonna let any in that I know of like last time. Anyway as I've said, if the other sections lie empty we'll allocate more space to Quake which is likely to happen.

[This message has been edited by Uprising (edited 22-01-99).]

[Terron]

Howabout we just get 2 buildings, up the limit of people to 600, get all the Quake players in one, all the Quake 2 players and 'others' in another, and connect them via a HUGE MEGA-******* T3 connect? http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Or you could drag a piece of co-ax across town http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[Russdy]

OK, Uprising
http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif
I was a bit scathing, soz, I didnt mean you to take it like that.
As for the net players, that's cool, I heard somewhere there were gonna be some 'top' players from the net for each game, must have been a dodgy source.
/me scoures the board for this post.

Anyway, plz dont get ruffled, I didnt mean to offend, I think you have done a triff job so far on this, and we'll just have to agree to differ on the ticket allocations
http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Russ

[Uprising]

No problem, respect your opinion, freedom of speech 'n all that! Just don't be dissin' me when I'm pttin' so much into it punk!

[Gadget]

Heh our homie James getz down wiv da hood http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif

[WPS]

James makes a good point about the different communties. Not all the communities are as in touch with Wireplay - e.g. the AA community is almost wholly divourced from the WP community, generally going it's own way, but there will still be enthusiasm for an AA server at Insomnia. It'll take a while for it to catch on there. The fact that all Quake players are RABID (joke!) about it shouldn't mean that other game players don't get a chance. This is a Wireplay event after all, not a Quake event.
WPS

[Hog]

Also, UPRISING is totally correct. Most Quake players I have met were really tight. http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[Terron]

Just for info, i'll play ANY game, just ask and if I ain't in a Quake match http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif i'll join!

[Yao]

i think its good to include other games for the weekend, but its obvious that its Quake thats really going to stand out anyway.

Either way, the real Quake LAN Party of the year is going to be Fusion 99. Go have a look at http://www.gamerush.com/fusion/

http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Yao

[Yao]

In terms of publicity, .net came along last time because i asked Richard Longhurst and James Brown to. Not for celebrity status but for pure fun. i have to agree now with Russ though that Wireplay shouldn't really encourage 'celebrity' net players anyway because it emphasises that gap between Net and Wireplayers anyway. i realise you're not this time, but in the past we know Wireplay have and its failed badly. "Thresh and Wireplay" didn't quite go really. Boo's and Hisses's and some rather unfortunate comments in many magazines proved this.

Besides, i'm not coming along so no-one should go now. http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Yao

[Gadget]

I'll believe fusion 99 is bigger when I see it.

The words 'packet' and 'loss' seemed to be associated with fusion 98. http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif

240 people strung together with some string and tin cans...tsk, no way to run a network ya know http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

[Wizzo]

here here! :-)

Collision domains? You ain't seen 'em till you've been to a Fusion LAN :-)

[Uprising]

Just for the record, we're not trying to create a new Fusion, beat Fusion, or be the biggest - just trying to accomodate as many Wireplay users as possible. Believe me, if I wanted to I could blow Fusion out of the water if loads more effort, sponsorship and general marketing went into this, but it is intentionally a low key Wireplay only event. Anyway Yao, the Fusion site doesn't even say how many people they will haves o before our 300 person event how can you even start saying theirs will be better????!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Uprising (edited 23-01-99).]

[Yao]

As i said on the Quakeboard, Insomnia is hardly a real Quake LAN since it's catering for all games on WP and has limited numbers for Quake players. Therefore Fusion which is focused on Quake/Quake 2 is a real Quake LAN Party. Thats what i meant.

if i can't say its going to be better (which i wasn't, although i may have come across differently), then you can hardly say you can blow it out of the water. You might be able to, but they might be also able to do the same.

Like i said, i was suggesting a real Quake LAN meet, where Quake is the game and therefore numbers aren't limited for it.

Yao

[Wizzo]

You've missed the minor point that Insomnia is backed by Wireplay, a gaming community with access to some 1/4 million members (since btinternet users now get wireplay free). Were they to wish to really push this event, they could simply mail all of them and simple probabilities of each member taking them up on it would do the rest. Even a 1% response rate would yield some 2,500 attendees.

However, you're right in that Insomnia isn't a pure Quake/Quake2 party, but I personally think having a complete mix of gamers will only add to the experience.

Anyway, enough bickering about whose party is going to be better :-)

[MaelStrom]

Yao,

Just when I get to thinking you aint a dumbass you go and say things like this :-

"i have to agree now with Russ though that Wireplay shouldn't really encourage 'celebrity' net players anyway because it emphasises that gap between Net and Wireplayers anyway."

That is a bit of a generalisation my friend. True that the Net holds the cream of UK's Quake players BUT I think that this so called gap no longer exists, and if it does, it is only small. Especially in regards to the top clans on WP. They have produced some excellent players, who are now playing for, or have played for, Net clans in the top divisions of MCW/UKCL. Peter is an excellent example. As you well know.

I myself, well we all know I was born a Net player but I am wholly commited to WP *and* the Net and if I can do well plaing with TS against an all LPB F9 team, then surely the people who beat me week in week out could do that also.

It is an insult to those players who have looked upto people like yourself that you should critisize their astronomical rise in skill by saying there is still a gap.

I hope you can see what I am saying.

As for the Fusion/Insomnia arguement, lets cut this schoolyard "my Dad's bigger" B.S. and have a good time at either or both.

No need for comparisons, they will be what we make of them. And as Ceno already said, these meets aint just about Quake(or any other game) it is about meeting the people and socialising. Not something usually associated with Online Gaming http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/biggrin.gif

My 2p's worth

Sal/Schiz

[Echinus]

Not writing loads but Uprising - go for it. Nice one m8, it's going to be great fun, and ignore the b******s who want to play Quake (excluding this message http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif cos I'm playing Quake 2 there). Let the other people come. I know you are, but I just wanted to say that I agree completely with you m8.

[CGS]Echinus

[Yao]

Maelstrom,

i don't know why you insist on being abusive when a simple discussion is all that takes place. its very poor.

Once again, i should confirm what i have said and maybe you should carefully examine what people say before hurling insulting comments yourself.

The "gap" i was referring to was the social gap that still exists between WP and Net gamers. No matter what anyone says, there's still feelings between the two and the Quakeboard shows this. Not necessarily as big as in the past, but it exists.

i can see what you're saying, but i don't think you saw what i was, "dumbass"?

Yao

[MaelStrom]

Yao http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

If you think 'Dumbass' is abusive then you must have a very sheltered life!

I can see now how I took what you said out of context and I sincerely apologise but it easily done seeing as the 'skill' gap between WP and Net players has often been discussed.

Apart from 'Dumbass' I don't think anything I said was at all insulting(if your a person who counts dumbass as insulting that is http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif)

Anyway, I think you talk alot of sense but I mistook that comment and I am admitting I was wrong. Fair enough dood?

Sal/Schiz

[Yao]

Fair enough. http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/smile.gif

Yao

[w00dley prom]

politics sucks. gimme twenny quid bitches so i can go - work have screwed me over some pay - any lawyers? bah. dwunk.. flibble.

MUAHAHAH PROMBOY

[w00dley prom]

Now it is the next day, and after my precise, to the point and relevant point on this thread, I have to agree with Mr sniperman - lighten up ffs! we'll all get in somehow and we'll all be trés slaughtered. I for one know that qw will not be the only game I play and I was wondering where the tribes allocation will be... as me russ, skum and some others have it... after that big trip over to the states where we all got it....

...visions of Russdy in a camel-skin coat showing off the innards to a dribbling crowd of poker playing fastplay llamas...green disk surfaces, shining under the hot fluorescent lights of what became...the S7 clan underworld....

pwommmmmmmmmmmmy.

P.S. don't spose anyone's got some BTEC advanced in computing coursework they wanna lend meh http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/wink.gif

[SniperUK]

Ermmmmmmmmm................

I must say that some of the comments from some of us is quite utter B.OLLOX.

Who cares about real quake events, and celebs, and any other Sh.it which a certain person states.

Were only going to eat cheap pizza aint we ??????

Come on lads........ Enough sh.ite talk, as most of u say, were going to have a laugh, play games and watch the strippers - Oops, did I say that ?

hehe

Sniper
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/8438
(Insomnia 99 coverage)

[SniperUK]

Prom mate..........

I will be bringing some very good software with me to the event. These are networking stuff, but more to the point, they are exams, test your knowledge. !!!!

Very good software.....

Sniper

[w00dley prom]

MUAHAHAHA THE FASCIST L33T THAT IS THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM WILL N0W RESPECT MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR AWARD DRIVEN SYNDO-ANARCHIST SUBJECTS! <satan you fill in the rest your better at dissin the govt.>

pwom

P.S. wizzo pleeeeeaaaaaase look at that new thread i done http://www.wireplay.co.uk/ubb/biggrin.gif