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I've been watching Voyager on SkyOne...and without giving anything away to those not watching...
There was ANOTHER lame holodeck goes wrong episode....!
my housemate expected it as last weeks was quite good....
but why are most holodeck "how can we turn the safeties off this week" episodes so innane and pointless.
(this doesn't include some of the great Sherlock Holmes ones in TNG)
Also a few points (WARNING SPOILER)
How come the characters could destroy the controls, damaging the holodeck safeties when the safeties were on in the first place???
And secondly, I thought it was very funny, Chakotay, who has played for Janeway's attentions plenty is confronted with his rival...a scruffy, fictional Irish barkeep :laugh:
:E
Bet you were that character though Fox???
ArcticFox
01-08-2000, 10:55
Shhhhhh dont tell anyone ;)
to-be sure to-be sure
you could try out the scruffy stubble first mate....
and go on from there.....
Yeah I thought it was bloody stupid as well.
I mean the safety protocols are ON, and yet the hologram is able to shoot live ammo? WTF?
Bah!
ArcticFox
01-08-2000, 11:22
Spirit Folk was it?
That was a class episode, Another one is Childs Play, & the Haunting of Deck 12, Shame about unimatrix 0 :(
holodeck episodes are generally a pile of poo...
there are exceptions but normally they have a tangible odour you can cut with a rolling pin!
ArcticFox
01-08-2000, 12:16
Yes they are,
But Fair Haven & Sprit Folk have a place in my heart
pah, Janeway munchin'ed that line yesterday...
I think she's the real borg seeing as the affect she's got on you mate :hmph:
anyway I can't bare to think the 'modifications' she made to that barkeep bloke before she restricted access to his matrix.
Yeah this series of Voyager seems really odd -we've not had a proper hostile alien fire fight in ages. There was a minor exchange of fire with that captives fighting for others fun episode, but not much else.
Not sure that we needed to meet the people of Happysville twice, either. Perhaps the irish actors are all members of one of the script writers' families? Or perhaps they're trying real hard to annoy us...
Perhaps something half interesting will come up by the time of the season finale?
BRING BACK THE BORG!!!!
They're always good for a mad gunfight :E
Seamus :dork:
[Edited by Seamus on 02-08-2000 at 01:55 AM]
ArcticFox
02-08-2000, 08:58
FFS startreks not all about firefights for christ sake....
And your thirst for blood wont be quenched this season, trust me on this....
The only fight you will see is Between Voyager & the Borg in UM:0
you don't need blood and phasers to make and exciting episode.....of course we know that Fox, but it would be nice to have an episode with consequences...
"Oh dear, turn off the holodeck...." says 7of9
"NOOOOO" she squeals in her munchin like monotone.
"I won't give up on the people of fairhaven that easily"...
PUURRLLEEASE?
I mean it would be like losing your game save...that's all!
as for Janeway's interest in Fairhaven? I think she can replicate something that takes AA batteries instead:E
That Voyager had no consequences, and no outcomes and hence nothing was learned. The holodeck going wrong is often a lame story...exceptions on the spot are the one where Seeska re-wrote Tuvok's training holonovel. That was quite amusing.
Mmm, but Star Trek never was very good at 'continuing storylines', assuming that's what you meant by stories of lasting effect? TNG was always about some exciting adventure that wrapped up neatly in an hour. Granted there were a few exceptions, but this was the general trend. DS9 had a big long-term storyline, and that's probably why I liked it so much. Voyager has done it once or twice (the Kason?), and I think that's what's lacking in the current series. They're all neatly wrapping up, self contained storylines...
well this is a symptom of all modular series...that's why as you said, DS9 worked well and I liked B5 for the same reason.
But, there consequences in episodes, where the voyager crew are under threat.
Perhaps they could do an episode entirely based on a cupe of coffee. First Janeway replicates it, takes a sip and hastily puts it down on a com pannel before rushing out of the room. There the coffee stands alone, in perilous danger. Will a clumsy ensign brush past and knock it over? What will be the final destiny of the coffee!
So, for the entire hour, the camera is zoomed in on the coffee... watching, waiting. Suspense, excitement, and most of all: consequence! They'd never get coffee stains out of their uniforms, it'd be there for years to come! Every episode to come!
arrr, but when she comes back it will be....COLD...
someone will say, just replicate yourself another one Captain...NOOOOOO she cries...I must reheat it and drink THIS cup of coffee. I started to drink it and I will FINISH WHAT I STARTED, this stalwart cup of coffee has earned a special place in my heart and that of the crews....
Perhaps we could re-configure a phaser to emit a band of tachyon particles just wide enough to encompase the entire cup. This band will then re-heat the coffee evenly, and without much risk of sugar re-crystalisation.
Incase sugar re-crystalisation does occur, a hypo-wrench could be used to rotate the cup of coffee (at 10 revolutions a minute), a trusted crew member could then replicate a silver teaspoon, and suspend this lightly in the cup of coffee -making sure it does not come into contact with the cup itself. This stiring action will ensure that all sugar remains in a disovled state, avoiding the nightmare situation of having sugar left at the bottom of the cup.
Why don't they let us write their damn scripts...
the holodecks are used in every series to make a dull episode about the crew having a great time during the 1950's.
it's because they cannot think of anything else to make a story about.
Damn You Rick Berman..
Divebomb
09-08-2000, 16:02
I have f***ing hated this series of Voyager... It's tired, stale sh1te that pales in comparison to Seasons 3 and 4.
Before we'd get a load of good quality episodes with one or two duffers and this season it's been a load of duffers with one or two good quality episodes.
On the subject of the Fair Haven double (both of which I switched off in boredom) and holodeck episodes in particlar, does no-one remember the Hirogen dual episode where they were using the Holodecks as training grounds? That was a good use of the Holodeck, I thought...
Back to this season:
There has been no drive, no (forgive the expression) spunk about Voyager this season. Whether it's because the episodes now are character-driven rather than plot-driven (we had a Torres episode, then a Chakotay episode, then a Doctor episode, then a Janeway episode etc etc) I don't know, but it's barely watchable now...
A sad state of affairs... :cry:
[Edited by Divebomb on 09-08-2000 at 04:04 PM]
ArcticFox
09-08-2000, 16:07
Bah who cares,
I loved Fair Haven & Spirit folk, I luv Janeway, I luv Voyager, Season 6 has some great episodes...
Fair Haven. Boring. Pfffft
Divebomb
09-08-2000, 16:47
Originally posted by ArcticFox
Season 6 has some great episodes...
Erm, "Pathfinder" and the MKC-style one with the Rock in it... 2 memorable episodes do not a season make :)
AND I KNOW you've seen the whole bloody lot and I haven't, but I'm stating my views based on what I have seen (and it feels like this season has lasted about 4000 years... :dead: )
[Edited by Divebomb on 09-08-2000 at 04:49 PM]
Jimbo-TPF
09-08-2000, 21:36
Erm, that episode with the Rock wasn't exactly a great story though was it? I mean to be honest it was a bit of a cheap trick to pull inn WWF fans to buck up the ratings.
Anyway this season aint been that THAT bad. I enjoyed the Pathfinder ep and Dragons eye one.
Divebomb
10-08-2000, 09:23
It had the Rock in it, which could be seen as gimmicky but worked really well...
Add in a couple of good performances from Jeri Ryan (concerned about losing her control and therefore her individuality) and JG Hertzler (sp?} as the Hirogen (proving he is a fine actor whatever make-up he is wearing) and you have a memorable episode...
Which one was Dragons Eye?
Jimbo-TPF
10-08-2000, 17:43
Not sure if thats the right name, been playin way too much
Icewind Dale than is good for me. :E
The episode was where 7o9 accidently released a whole load of old conqueror types when on the run and Voyager has to risk an alliance with them. They turn on them and so Voyager uses the race they were running from in the first place to put the conqueror types away. Excuse the rather hazy description, it aint my strongpoint.
Divebomb
11-08-2000, 09:30
Haven't seen that one - either you HAVE been playing too much Icewind Dale :eek:, or ArticFox can pop in and tell us all about that episode and what it was called :dork: :E
Originally posted by Divebomb
ArticFox can pop in and tell us all about that episode and what it was called
As well as the number of Phaser shots fired, the names of the entire cast, how many light years voyager travelled, how many different stars you could see during the episode, what brand of deoderant Ensign Kim was wearing and how many fleas Janeway has :E
-[Raven]-
13-08-2000, 01:14
For something that has the potential to be so dangerous, and goes wrong so much, you'd think that they'd stop using them?
Same with beef in this country, few people die they outlaw it.
Now how many have died or been injured in a holodeck malfunction?
How many have died or been injured in car crashes?
Etc :)
Ooh P in "making a salient point" shocker!
:E
Here's another: Smoking?
:P
Well I remember that episode when 7of9 released that race and it was quite a good one but these things are few and far between. I mean they can't think of something new so they recycle old plots. TNG was a victim of this at the beginning until they got their own direction. I mean Voyager..when it all gets dull?? Call on the Borg. Dull, make a borg their crew, even duller? meet more borg that are individuals...TWICE! even duller, get some cutsey borg kiddies on the ship..ooorrrrr.
I mean this Borg queen thing with Janeway..I've only heard rumours, but it's been done before. WHen Picard became Locutious...(sp) that was a Great series of TNG...now? been done, all that. To make it more dramatic? They do it to three characters at once...!
Originally posted by Divebomb
I'm stating my views based on what I have seen (and it feels like this season has lasted about 4000 years... :dead: )[/B]
Shouldn't they be home by now then??
ArcticFox
14-08-2000, 11:34
Bah be quiet dissing my Janeway, Voyager is the best StarTrek series ive ever watched,
TOS i quite liked, TNG was total **** & DS9 Rocked
Originally posted by ArcticFox
TNG was total ****
:angry::angry:KIIIIILLLLL THE UNBELEIVER!!!:angry::angry:
:D
Divebomb
14-08-2000, 16:00
Originally posted by DizMatt
Shouldn't they be home by now then??
They DID get home but they decided to stay in Fair Haven - THAT'S what the new ST series will be based on! :E
Originally posted by ArcticFox
Bah be quiet dissing my Janeway, Voyager is the best StarTrek series ive ever watched,
TOS i quite liked, TNG was total **** & DS9 Rocked
Now I know for certain that you're a VERY STRANGE YOUNG MAN!!!
BAH!
[Edited by DizMatt on 14-08-2000 at 05:04 PM]
Apart from DS9 which I though was pretty static apart from the last series, TNG set the standards to bring Star Trek up-to date from when Kirk & Co ruled. :)
Of course, Voyager needs to get livened up a little bit more because there isn't much happening - bring back the borg, we need a little bit of excitement (and maybe another Jeri Ryan) :naughty: :E
Seamus
-[Raven]-
16-08-2000, 01:18
Weren't they going to cancel Voyager, and when Ms Ryan came in, it 'saved' them magically from the magical american cancelation 'axe'?
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