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StringBean

03-08-2000, 23:22

Yes we h8 you being the black sheep too ;)

BTW I have resently started collecting the essential X-men comics again and in the back of the latest mag it has lots of information about a new X-men TV cartoon which set around the x-men in their teens (and a new character called spiky or summat which is storms nephew)and with Wolverine and storm as the adults assuring the kids don't die too early for there more adult adventures. ;)

TBH it looks a little pants, let hope the movie is abit better :)

[TJC]Boba Fett ASF

03-08-2000, 23:53

I imagine that this film is ging to be amazing, but I feel I will be dissapoited. :cry:

I have a bad feeling about this..

No Gambit!

bilboukcm

04-08-2000, 18:33

Well, ill be sat there, camped out 4 days early while you are all sat at home in your nice warm beds! MWA HA HA HA HA HAA HAAAAA! Now, look whos laughing!

er...coat anyone?

[O.W.N]Animal

04-08-2000, 18:38

I work in a cinema, so i'll have my own private screening when the film come's in. :)

Who's laughing. :) :)

HAAAAAA!!!!

WeaselFierce

04-08-2000, 20:22

Actually, I am reliably informed that Jubilee is in the film albeit in the background.

Beast and (probably) Gambit are both likely to appear in the next movie.

Personally, I'm glad to see a superhero film that actually looks like a film. I'm so sick of lazy directors thinking overuse of primary colours and tilited camera angles is all it takes to adapt a comic character.

BOZZDUDE

04-08-2000, 21:15

Well i'm no x-men expert but it seemed a little thin in plot department to me.
As a no brainer action movie it's worth a watch though,some very nice effects.
Not something i'd go back to though.

BOZZDUDE:smokin::bandit:

Lagu

05-08-2000, 00:33

Apparently there is a chance that some more of the xmen and of course some more villains will be appearing in the sequel. Yes there is going to be a sequel!

'BladeWire'

05-08-2000, 02:09

Ray Charles ave seen it, and he liked it... :talk:

WildWayz

06-08-2000, 08:46

Hmm

I have seen it, and to be honest, it is just 'OK'. The first 45mins of the film is pretty quiet, but gets a lot better towards the end.

BUT - I can see a sequal being better, as the characters are defined now, so they can concentrate more on action.

--WildWayz

RichC

06-08-2000, 13:12

Argh! No Omega Red! :angry:

[TJC]Boba Fett ASF

07-08-2000, 11:35

Hmmm, I think I'll still have to see it, whats Ray Park like in it??

khaz

08-08-2000, 23:07

double post....

[Edited by khazmash on 08-08-2000 at 11:18 PM]

khaz

08-08-2000, 23:11

just came back from my US holiday today afternoon and i saw it...the fact is it's a good movie but as there are so many chracters it's hard for the movie to concentrate on all of them. hence, professor x, magneto, wolverine and rogue are the main centre point of the movie (and mystique get's overused which is very annoying) while the others are mainly sidelined....although i wish halle berry was given more screen time in that skimpy white t-shirt.....rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
:E
*ahem*

all in all, along with batman forever and superman4, this is the best comic book to movie transfer to date (personally speaking)!!

oh the characters who do make cameos are...
or should i leave that till you guys see the movie
:)

killy bai

08-08-2000, 23:56

Wolverine is the best X-Men character so go watch the movie bub or you'll have to taste my adamantium!

[TJC]Boba Fett ASF

10-08-2000, 07:55

WeaselFierce

11-08-2000, 18:35

uh... Batman Forever and Superman 4? :confused:

Celchu

12-08-2000, 01:40

umm was that last one a joke?

khaz

12-08-2000, 05:00

urm, joke...no i dont think so. all i was trying to say was that along with those two movies x-men is the best movie adaptation to date.
which is what i already said..urm..
and x-men is probably the best movie adaptation to date, whether it's sequels improve upon it we'll have to wait and see...

killy bai

13-08-2000, 18:29

X-Men is definitely the best movie adaptation of a comic so far but the first Batman is a close second. And Batman forever isn't anything special, infact it's quite rubbish -it should have stayed gothic. Superman 4 is plain crap - Nuclear Man.

Can't wait for the Spider-Man movie, but one word of advice for Raimi: lose the organic webshooters - Cameron's a good director but that idea was plain stupid and anyway why change a formula that has worked well for so long.

Slain

13-08-2000, 18:48

Flash Gordon is a good adaptation. :)

killy bai

13-08-2000, 23:05

Flash Gordon was a joke. No really, it was.

Slain

14-08-2000, 00:18

Lol, I thought it was hilarious, and great music. :)

[BL] Switchblade

14-08-2000, 01:39

i must see it, but im confused about sum things...

1. who the hell is toad????

2. why the hell is jean grey in it??? shes poop, except when she turned into pheonix of course...rar!!

khaz

14-08-2000, 05:42

despite that fact i read the comics i actually have no history on toad, all i know is he came to only after magneto recruited him for his 'brotherhood' of mutants....and in the comics he's usuless but they've made him harder in the movie and definitely more aggressive..

i agree with you killy-bai, x-men is probably the best comic book adaptation to date, but there was something about batman forever i liked (anyway, as i said before it's a personal feeling) but the first batman was good also. the second one i absolutely loved danny devito's work as the penguin, he did him so wonderfully. and michelle pfiffer as catwoman.....mmmeeeeoooowwwrrrrrr :E *ahem*...and the fourth batman was crap...i can't believe they made bane poison ivy's servant!!!!!! did they have any idea what bane did to batman in the comics???

oh by the way people, toby macguire (yes, the boy from cider house rules) is playing spidey in the upcoming spidey movie...and this is from time magazine so the source is quite reliable. apparently he did so well in the crime fighting audition and fit into the costume so well they cast him immediately. he's started working out now to put on some muscle.

and oh, has anyone seen the first spidey movie which came out in the 80s (i think..)..i saw it ages ago and although it wasn't cheesy it was quite plain and it lacked that spidey edge..

khaz

14-08-2000, 05:45

and flash gordon...ahhhh
cheese at it's ultimate..loved every minute of it
"Flash - saviour of the universe!"
KKRRRRRANNNNNNNNGGGGG (Brian May's guitar)!!

Sar

14-08-2000, 11:34

Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (Brian Mays hairspray)

:E

[Ostrich]

15-08-2000, 10:48

I reakon all the villains seem a bit crap. Cept Magneto and Sabretooth of course. Apparently the original script had Juggernaught in it but Brian Singer didn't know anything about him (he'd never read any of the comics)
And WTF can't Rogue fly? Why does she not have superhuman strength? Where the hell is her slinky green and yellow skintight all in one piece? Why has she not got a grey streak in her hair? Why isn't she from the South?????

Anyway, I reakon the sequel should have either Mr Sinnister or Apocolypse as the main bad guy. Imagine what they could do with Apocolypse and CGI!

:)

Sar

15-08-2000, 11:19

I think she does have the grey streak in her hair?

But this Rogue has only just discovered that she's a mutie, so it's set some years before the comics current time period...

After all the comics been going for over 30 years.

:)

PhoeChiMalkieGal

15-08-2000, 13:25

*gets all giddy*

Four days

Monkey Fool

15-08-2000, 14:08

X-men looks Ok but some other comic book adaptions better than Batman Forever and Superman 4 spring to mind.
1) Batman 1 and 2....Tim Burton say no more.
2) Men in Black....good funny flick.
3) Starship Troopers...nice film with lot's a gore.

And the mother of them all....
BLADE!!!

Sorry to bring this up on the second page!!

[Edited by Monkey Fool on 15-08-2000 at 02:09 PM]

Sar

15-08-2000, 16:21

Supe 4?

Good?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

:P

[Edited by Sar on 15-08-2000 at 04:23 PM]

khaz

15-08-2000, 16:55

sigh, i said before it's a personal feeling...it's the best of the four superman's anyway...and it has everything the comics had..a bad guy to match and defeat him (like doomsday in the comics although he killed supes but supes came back), 'american' heroism, morality..every thing that seems cheesy in movies but works well in the comics! they all came across quite well in this movie

and yes the first two batman's are the best of the four but - again (and this is a personal feeling) - batman forever i liked because it made batman a titch more human which he also did in the comics after his experience with bane (who by the way released all of batman's enemies from arkham asylum and so made batman go on an endurance test like never before and batman went without sleep and food for more or less 8 days when finally bane confronted him in the batcave and thrashed him and dragged him to the city and broke his back and paralysed him for a year, for any more details go read the novel - knightfall). sadly, joel schumacher took this to such ridiculous extents in batman & robin he took batman all the way back to the goofy 60s.

and i dont like blade. it bored me for some reason...

Monkey Fool

16-08-2000, 08:51

Joel Schumacher ruined that film and continues to butcher movies. They should have rounded the Bat off after the second one. Number 4 was the biggest load of sh~te ever but at least Bane was in it!! NOT!! Azreal should have killed him while the Batman, the nutcase he was.
Val Kilmer as Batman was another rubbish move and that annoying git that played Robin....Don't get me wrong the movie could have been something but personally I think it sucked. The only good actor in it was Tommy Lee Jones.

B-B-B-B-----Blade boring???????? You sure yor not thinking Blade Squad or something!! :E At least you ain't afraid of going against popular opinion, which is cool!!

Anyway like you say it's all personal preferance and I'm not attacking anyone just getting some pre-work stress out!!
:monkee:

khaz

16-08-2000, 12:34

np monkey fool..i'm not attacking anyone either, this is the kind of discussion i like, where you can voice your opinions without going for each other's throat. :)
yeah, azrael should have killed him when he was the bat but you forgot the cops showed up just as he was about to do so..he'd removed those tubes of his which fed him the venom.

yeah i do mean blade, with wesley snipes..it had some good action scenes but overall it bored me..anyhoo

thanks for being the debater anyway..
:)
am available for arguing/discussing/ripping throats ;) anytime...

Monkey Fool

16-08-2000, 12:50

No convincing on the Blade front then????

Unfortunately my comic knowledge is poor from what it used to be. I sold my collection last year to buy Star Wars gear. Sad I know :E

Don't have a clue whats going on in that world now but I believe Kelly Jones has left Batman now. BOOOO!!!

Appo

16-08-2000, 12:56

If you think not liking Blade is going against popular opinion how about this then. I thought the Matrix was mind numbingly tedious, easily one of the worst films I have ever seen, discuss.

/me braces myself for the onslaught. :eek:

Cheers,
Appo

Monkey Fool

16-08-2000, 13:11

That's fair enough!! :E I loved it as has anyone else I know.
There have been many films lately I've seen that are meant to be ground breaking which I would not have wasted film on. There ain't no convincing me, so I'm sure there's no convincing you!! :wink: :)
:monkee:

Although it p*ssed me off it won all the oscar's Ep1 should have got!!
:monkee:

[Ostrich]

16-08-2000, 17:44

It would have been a complete injustice if Ep1 won ANYTHING. It was made purely with thoughts of merchandising in Lucas' head. How the hell else can you explain JarJar? But wait, he'll make a really cool toy. So will a nice slinky sliver ship. Much nicer for kids of today to play with rather than ugly, hurridly constructed ships like the Falcon.....I hate it incase you didn't notice.

:)

Slain

16-08-2000, 21:55

Starship Troopers was a comic? Thought it was a novel?

Sar

17-08-2000, 00:58

ST was indeed a novel by Heinlein, which possibly was a comic at a later stage.

EP1 sucked fetid donkey-testicle sweat. It's a black mark on an otherwise timeless and superb series of films. As Ostrich nearly said - how much of that film would have been radically different if mass marketing of toys etc wasn't a consideration?

If Lucas had wanted comedic elements all he had to do was make greater use of C3PO and R2. THey did all that for the first 3 films and did it with a semblance of grace throughout. Jar Jar imo is just crude.

Sorry, rather - How cwude!

:hmph:

-[Raven]-

17-08-2000, 02:05

ooh ooh a novel?

Anybody gimme the full authors name, and possibly an ISBN number?

Secondly, is the book ne good?

Lagu

17-08-2000, 10:26

Check out http://www.amazon.co.uk for the book. Personally I want to see the cartoon they've made of ST. Its supposed to be halfway between the book and the film.

WeaselFierce

18-08-2000, 18:50

:laugh:

Sar

19-08-2000, 00:17

Getting back to the topic ;)

X-Men is great, I saw it this afternoon, and it is a great film. Definitely the best comic to movie screen conversion thus far, and thank god for Hugh Jackman. The man is a find. And he gets all the best lines in the film to boot.

Top film.

:D

Hellsangel

19-08-2000, 03:41

i saw it on thursday :P

cost me 2.20 to see the preview :)

Buwhahahahahahahaahahahahaha

i never read the comics but watched the cartoon on the odd occasion!was a pretty good film,especcially the humour,lol@cyclops and wolvirines conversations!

and Rogue OMG!!!!!

SHE IS SOOOO HOT :)

[TJC]Boba Fett ASF

19-08-2000, 09:57

Nice! :)

Anyone see Ray Park and Tyler Mane(something like that) on Big Breakfast?

WeaselFierce

19-08-2000, 13:20

ETA to seeing it is approxiamtely 2 hours. Oooooooooo, the anticipation! :eek:

Sar

19-08-2000, 13:50

You will like, it's tops :D

And yep, Logan and Summers snipes at each other were one of the highlights. Dead funny. :P

Slain

19-08-2000, 15:41

Yeah, watched it last night, was ok. Don't know about Rogue, but Storm and Jean Grey (or whatever Famke Janssens characters called) mmmmmmm, nice. :)

WeaselFierce

19-08-2000, 17:50

Just got back and I gotta say it was damn good. Last film I saw which had me itching to see a sequal straight away was the Matrix.

The cast was superb. A wonderful example of casting actors who fit the character rather than corrupting the character to suit the start (Batman & Robin anyone?).

The storyline wasn't exactly complex but it never cheated the audience either. Also, considering the amount of introductory information they had to give and the groundwork for future story arcs, it worked pretty well. The introduction of Wolverine's claws was a scene that made me go tingly all over. Nicely done.

Another plus point for me was the fight choreography. It wasn't balls out Kung Fu stuff but each character had a distinctive style of movement which blended perfectly with their powers.

So, all in all, a refreshing film that shows you can convert superheroes to movies.

MikeyB

20-08-2000, 02:26

Saw it tonight - thought it was fantastic! Maybe it was because my expectations weren't high and I hadn't really been looking forward to it that much. I thought it was cast perfectly - and the acting was *gasp* actually rather good in places. I wasn't a huge fan of the comic, although I did used to like Secret Wars - but I'm optimistic about the next X-Men films (did I read they had all signed for 3 movies?) because of all the cool characters they could bring in. Now if they would just get on and make the Fantastic Four and Spiderman movies they've been talking about for years...

I also must add that I saw the film at the new Warner Star City cinema in Birmingham - the biggest in the UK with 30 screens and over 6000 seats! We were in Screen19 which was HUGE - massive screen, amazing THX sound system (best I've heard), stadium seating (the top of the persons head in front is level with your knees!), loads of leg room, killer air-con.......I've been to many cinemas (not just in this country) and this is the best yet, IMO. Check it out if you live fairly near - worth the journey.

WeaselFierce

20-08-2000, 09:22

Professor X's telepathy in Surround Sound is rather good.

[TJC]Boba Fett ASF

20-08-2000, 10:10

Sounds great to me!

WeaselFierce

20-08-2000, 12:55

Slight diversion of topic - Just out of curiosity, how old is Anna Paquin anyway? :naughty:

MikeyB

20-08-2000, 13:14

She's 18. And she better be in the next one or.....or I'll cry :)

Sar

20-08-2000, 13:20

Yep, and she's barely recognisable from Fly Away Home and The Piano.

Slain

20-08-2000, 14:06

I think they've already cast Toby McGuire as Spiderman haven't they?

WeaselFierce

20-08-2000, 14:34

Originally posted by MikeyB
She's 18. And she better be in the next one or.....or I'll cry :)

Damn straight! I'm waiting to see her fill out her leather uniform :D

[FuS] IAMTHEFISH

20-08-2000, 14:38

Saw it last night and it is one top film I have to say

The Wolverine Vs Wolverine fight scene was practicly the Matrix all over again (but of course, that is a good thing)

I also liked it when Ray Park was using a pole like his double-bladed lightsabre and gave a knowing grin to the camera ;)

And the Wolverine/Cyclops relationship was very funny:laugh:

I thought it was very good and did well with introducing a large cast to an audience who may not have heard of them. The sequel should be even better (as long as they don't give it to Joel Schumacher that is :E)

WeaselFierce

20-08-2000, 16:16

Schumacher!? Do NOT even JOKE about it!!!! :eek:

killy bai

24-08-2000, 22:29

-SPOILER ALERT-

Just saw the movie - awesome, brilliant, excellent, great.
One gripe - too short (although this may be because it was so good).

Anyway, a few bits of info on some of the cameos in the movie that I noticed:

Beast - the kid with the blue hair when Wolverine is hiding behind the pillar in the Mansion (must be him at an early stage in his mutation).

Pyro or Human Torch(Johnny Storm) - Kid playing with fire during class (he could be either of the two because Storm calls him 'John' and Pyro and the Human Torch are both named 'John', but he is more likely to be the former as Pyro is an original X-men character whereas the Human Torch is from the Fantastic Four).

Iceman(Bobby Drake) - Kid who turns 'John's' fireball into ice and also befriends Rogue (this is obviously Iceman as his name is Bobby in the movie).

Apparently Colossus is also in the movie but I didn't notice him - if he's in it please point out to me where and when in he appears (thanks in advance).

Apparently the Sentinels will appear in the sequel as well as Gambit, Beast, bigger part for Iceman, Mr Sinister, Jean Grey as Phoenix, Apocolypse, Cable, Psylocke, Proteus, Juggernaut, Night Crawler and Arch Angel (some are rumours, some are mentioned by director Bryan Singer as possibilities and some are ones who I want to be in any of the probable sequels).

Can't wait for the sequels and Hugh Jackman was perfect for the role of Wolverine. In fact most of the casting was done very well although Cyclops seemed a bit word-shy. Storm's wig looked silly - it would have looked much more realistic if her eyebrows were also white. Special effects were exceptional without feeling over-the-top.

Overall, I was very pleased with the adaptation as it kept the essence of the comic book characters (as in Batman) but didn't become campy at any time (unlike the Superman or Captain America movie or most comic-to-movie adptations come to think of it).

fingerz

25-08-2000, 10:16

Erm.. sorry, but i didn't like it.

Special effects were good but its a pointless thing to say - all films have good special effects these days. Can't think of the last big-budget film i saw with bad special effects.

Rest of it was plot & story by numbers really - characters were handed to singer on a plate (30 years of comics means that little or no character development req'd by director) and storyline went like this:

1) Introduce everyone
2) Establish everyone's motives
3) Reveal plan
4) Bad guys get the upper hand
5) Good guys win after a bit of a pasting

Given the all-over-the-place comic storylines i don't think much effort went into the script tbh.

Some might say that to use original storylines from the comics would confuse non-fans. I personally think that films with a slightly more challenging plot tend to have a longer lifespan and can be just as popular in the ever-important opening weekend. See 12 Monkeys and similar.

Sar

25-08-2000, 22:40

Well I saw it for the 2nd time earlier today, and it's twice as good on a repeat showing.

You're a dick still cracks me up :)

killy bai

26-08-2000, 00:45

Apparently Colossus is also in the movie but I didn't notice him - if he's in it please point out to me where and when in he appears (thanks in advance).

BRAWL

28-08-2000, 02:57

anyone catch the little cameo apperance of stan lee ;)

dragonair

28-08-2000, 18:43

Tis has got nothing to do with the film, but in the cartoon there's another character called

a) Gambit
b) Bandit

Which one?? (isn't a quiz, i'm asking cause i've forgotten)

Thanx

The SD

killy bai

28-08-2000, 19:26

It's Gambit moname.

WeaselFierce

28-08-2000, 19:26

Gambit, m8

Sar

28-08-2000, 21:01

Heh

BTW where was Stan Lee?

Can't remember seeing him in it?

BRAWL

28-08-2000, 22:55

it was a total fluke that i saw 'im :) he's by the hotdog stand when the senator comes out of the water, can't miss him ;)

Firenze

30-08-2000, 03:49

bah sorry but i thought this film was a bit pants really and just another "cash in" :(

killy bai

30-08-2000, 20:27

erm nah mate, all the Batman movies (apart from the first one) now that's a cash in. X-men truly was a watchable and entertaining movie, one of the best i've seen in fact. The records it broke on its opening weekend speaks for itself.

By the way where and when does Colossus appear?

bilboukcm

31-08-2000, 16:58

Ive seen it 3 times now, its just so goddam amazing, they even got those subtle relationships perfect (eg Professor x / Magneto and Wolverine / Jean grey).

The mutants to make cameos were:
Jubilee (Katrina Florence)
Shadowcat/Kitty (Sumela kay)
Iceman (shawn Ashmore)
Cannonball (Jon Davey)
Collosus

Most of em you can see in or around Xaviers school. Jubilee (wears that ****ty yellow jacket) and Iceman (gets a speaking part) being the most obvious to spot.

Dont believe me? Names are in the credits at the end.

WeaselFierce

31-08-2000, 18:41

I agree, it's the subtle character inter-relationships which I think set this movie apart from most other Superhero conversions.

Whatever chronological inconsistencies exist with the comic the film has stayed true to the characters. And, as the latter Batman films show, you HAVE to stay true to the characters.

The film also has a lot of very nice touches to it which I liked. The Wolverine/Mystique fight scene where she's a double of Wolverine but he slashes her claws in half. I liked that.

I'm looking forward to the DVD.