View Full Version : WP3 and TF servers, Please do something now
I couldnt care less about the WP3 beta or client, ill probably still use gamespy, even if the updates are slow, however the PP servers on WP I would like to play on (TF) are still in this non-netfacing mode, that WP3 is *supposed* to be opening up some time in the never never future(2 months i see from a post there, oh jolly, we'll just watch the WP TF community wither away shall we while we wait a few months more?)
We have 3 openplay TF that are either stuffed (or empty if its a custom map) and they only have player x16 slots, getting small for TF public games now, 24 is needed really and the average, not large .... and 8x16 at last count PP servers that im told are half used now.
Everytime the same old loop, someone posts can we have more open play TF, then WP3 is mentioned as 'tba soon' then a few more grains of sand fall down the tube and here we are again .... Id like to request and know when the TF servers are going to open, sod WP3, i couldnt care less, no need adding or shuffling again, just open the TF servers and have done with it like the rest.
If its for connecting via any isp then ffs open them up and get the damn beta on a test bed instead of fiddling with it ... if we're not gonna use the client then were not gonna use it wether its ready or not, whats the big problem??? Its just making GP look unprofessional.
the community will move with the times even if WP refuse to, it already has and 24 player is the standard now with plenty of lo ping UK servers out there, busy too some, are we just going to be blindly busnessy and ignore this, while watching the post count and WP associated clan league numbers slowly drop?? And gaming centers like BW gaining pace, I wonder at whos cost?? Or are we actually going to do something to inject the life back into WP TF because it needs it now!
Love the new TF code or h8 it, there as many players playing TF as there was before, yet posts and activity do not reflect this at WP nowadays, many like me are making the simple choice of a free/unmetered/cable connection - WP TF is good but not that good. Before it was a sight increase in a per minute charge but now its a lot to connect to WP and many are drawing the line with expensive charges - personally cable doenst even use a dial up networking so id have to majorly change hardware settings to access it if i wanted - and then to do what?? Play on 16 person servers at an identical ping that I can now play with 24-32 person servers on the E coast US??
Ill continue being part of the WP scene as my main home, access is fast for the clan and im involved with the leagues but when im on line and not on an OP server im probably away out there on Jolt or XSFORALL, or even playing murderball at WP pings in the states, Lucifers Flowers is currently a 3x a week visit, since theres no shuffling that will get 24 player servers to play these bigger maps on Open till this blue moon of WP3 finally flops on the desktop.
he really has taken the words out of my mouth. I agre with everything he has said, WHHHHHHHHHHY cant we have openplay now? not in 2 months. Please listen to him because we are desperate for them to be open play, other games have their server openplay too, like quake3. So please could you get it over with and let any ISP access the servers
Yes ffs wp get on with.
All it's been for the last few months is loads of talk but no action :(
To start...
Oggy, what you really mean is, loads of talk but no 'visible' action. You can't see everything that goes on here and some people may be a bit peaved with you saying that they aren't doing anything even though they're working 12-18 hour days. :)
Mad Ad,
You'd probably get a better response if you'd asked this in the CS/TFC/Half-life forums but let's see what I can do/say.
I can't actually change the servers to be open or not, (you've probably noticed that this is the WP3 forum :) ) but I'll have words and see what I can find out for you...
Kaylin
Dont you think we have asked already in the hl forums??
Im sorry if i appeared a bit harsh but it is starting to get on my nerves, and IM sure you can see by the other posts in this thread that it is getting on other peoples nerves too. You see, the only thing that the TFC community is interested in with wp3 is being able to connect with any ISP. Now we KNOW that it is possible to connect with any isp if the servers are changed. So we dont even care about wp3, because the majority of us just use the shortcut to wvpowerplay anyway to skip the wireplay thing.
So anyway, all we want from wireplay is to access any server. And at the end of the day we dont need wp3 to do that, because it can be done right now. Then you would have a WHOLE LOT less of complaints of how long it is taking you to sort this out from the half-life communities.
yes this has been posted several times by different people on the TF forums ... after posting here I thought maybe the gameplay one, Im involved with the admin side now, but im still fresh under the collar there and so far get the feeling theres a link above our CL but below WP3 thats the focus here.
I have little idea about the GP structure and im just shooting in the dark, as a newly involved person on the org side I wanted to get it out in discussion elswhere than on the forum where similar requsts crash and burn with regularity.
I know u guys are working away on the client, but I am a little mystified at what exactly is the problem if the end result still ends up the same, open access. I doubt id get a full business model described to me but Id be interested to know from a marketing as well as technical angle what the problem is since adverse publicity and and any decline in use for a service company should ring alarm bells.
We are doing the best that we can at the moment guys. Servers will be made open when we feel that they can recieve our undivided attension and it can be done correctly and in a stable manner and not to effect other systems here at Gameplay.
It will be done VERY soon. I would say please have patience but it looks as though you are running out of that so all I can say is PLEASE accept our appologies and let me reassure you that it will be done.
:} :{
Well ive got the latest beta just out and I see no change, still cant connect to PP servers with or without it ..... I couldnt care less about the client, if i HAVE to use it then sort it out, but at the moment is as much use to me as a chocolate kettle.
we ran out of patience and began starting playing web servers long time ago, statements like SOON and when we can give it undivided attention reminds me of the spanish manyáná .... yeah tommorow, or tommorows tomorrow and will not give us the patience you so rightly state we have lost now waiting and watching WP tf struggle with 3 open servers crammed mostly (except a couple of custom maps that seem to be the touch of death) and half-most of the PP servers languishing empty on all but a friday night.
Its no big deal, theres no special tricks to open them up - just a simple edit and we're on.
Why is there a hold up??? What is it that is so important in your own programming project that the communities involved have to suffer and start to be viewed as old or behind the times - and all the time GP loose hits and forum views thru gamers simply going over to Jolt, or BW like I do regular enough.
Sure im involved with the TF community here - but thats only a few of us, the rest come and go, more go than come judging by forum posts over the recent month or two despite figures theres as many playing as there always was pre the 1.5 pach - We the admins cannot hope to kickstart it and are seeing it bump along the bottom, for what??? A bunch of programmers to finish a software project that could actually be developed in parallel, without strangling the communities it purports to be working for??
Of course now its bumping along the bottom, when WP3 is released im sure the numbers will be counted of all the extra ppl using the TF servers being opened at the same time and I bet it will declared a great success for the beta. I cannot see any other reason why you would hold it up - certainly ive never seen the thinking 'explained' - I apologise if ive missed something - please enlighten me someone???
What exactly is the point holding up the (very simple step of) opening the TF PP's for an unrelated software client??
Okay. I like the wp3 beta because it tells you how many people there are on the servers, but to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how using that will allow you to connect to powerplay servers in any way, because all it does is connect you. It still won't man you're on the right dialup. I'll link to this on a couple of forums to see if I can get a few more people that can do something about this in here (I sound like a wp guy don't I :)) but I would DEFINATELY want to be able to play on the other servers. As it is, if the three open wp servers are full I have to go to Barrysworld, and they're a bunch 'o' muppets :).
Get onto it gameplay, It can't be THAT hard can it? :E.
AphexTwin
05-09-2000, 05:18
:rolleyes:
-Haggis-
05-09-2000, 10:55
TOP :E
I'm sure this has been posted before but here goes anyway.
The reason the servers are not being opened up until WP3 is out is because you will need to use WP3 to get into them.
Kaylin
Lt. Sex Machine
05-09-2000, 16:30
Kaylin that sentence doesnt read very well, am I right in that you meant to say:
'None of the servers will be opened up to the net beacause we want to force you to use WP3 client to get into them'
Or to put it another way non WPD / BTI users will be able to use the servers if they go thru the WP3 client if and when it ever becomes available...
I remember posting a topic like this on the TFC forums twice, and no 'Official' responce. Making them open, but not regestering them with won (so we have no net muppets) is what the community wants.
I dont see why using WP3 should be vitial. I think BT are gonna make it the biggest advertising spam on the net.
Hi,
(1) won id registration : this is extremely useful for banning muppets (via their won id). Having no net muppets is rather a broad generalisation. We have wireplay muppets too :E. won id registration also goes in some way to prevent users from using pirate copies.
(2) Why should using WP3 be vital ? I would say you're looking at it the wrong way. Back in Wireplay 2.1, none of our servers were open to the net and you had to pay 10 gbp per month or pay a little extra for your call charges. You paid for a service. I can see no difference to this apart from the fact that you don't have to pay. You use the Wireplay 3 client and you get to use our servers.
If you moan on about performance, well, i would agree with you there, it used to be much better. Unfortunately, we have been stuck with a legacy net feed and are currently negotiating to double our bandwidth, from 34mb to 68mb, with plans, I hear of a 150mb link in the future.
The other important thing that figures into this is security. Wireplay 3.0 will launch with the ability for Community Liasions, Club Captains etc, ie people in trusted positions to be able to kick, warn and ban wireplay users. It's an issue (combating miscreants, abusive players etc etc) that's long needed addressing and which cannot be achieved if people are allowed to connect without the Wireplay 3.0 Client.
In addition we realise that people do play on Barrysworld, Gamesworld, Demon, Easynet etc ... different for everyone depending on what clan, league, ladder, ISP and geographical location they have.
It would be a *pain* for everyone to have to access other servers with other server browsers, so we are looking into the possibility of listing net servers as well as wireplay servers.
(3) 'BT are gonna make it the biggest advertising spam on the net'. To be honest, I did lol at this at first, no offence, but you really have no idea do you, but, I don't blame you for thinking this (ps BT sold Wireplay to Gameplay a year ago, so for BT read Gameplay).
I don't understand what part of 'The wireplay team want to produce something for our community, with their input, with great server performance, a large variety of games and plenty of functionality' that some of the Wireplay community don't understand. Why would do anything but ?
Wireplay generates 'no' revenue. For this 'no' revenue we ;
o run 90-100 physical servers
o 34mb net feed with dial-up access (wpd)
o employ 20-30 people
We stopped registration because for the amount of revenue it was generating it wasn't worth it and was worth more to the community if it was free.
Wireplay has been recognised by Gameplay as a valuable part of it's make-up. Finally we've been recognised to having something special (our community) that is basically bringing in revenue to Gameplay indirectly, due to it's natural association with the Gameplay Web, Gameplay SHOP etc.
I can only think that because you don't see the everyday goings on in Wireplay, people assume the worst which is only humanly natural. The problems we face are never apparent to the community and so the community assume the worst.
For people like Mad Ad, I would guarantee that if hypothetically he came into our office and met the team and understood a little more about what we are trying to do, why and the problems we've had, he'd empathise a little more.
Perhaps those peeps should just ask a few more questions rather than jump the gun.
Cheers,
PS This is all IMHO
/Cacker
[Edited by Cacker on 08-09-2000 at 10:30 AM]
Dead Man
08-09-2000, 10:47
Intresting comments Cracker, thanks for the extra information.
BTW what is a legacy net feed?
DM
Hi,
Not very well termed 'Legacy' I suppose. Gameplay retained the BT net feed after Wireplay was sold to Gameplay, August last year. I suppose I meant to say 'stuck with' :E
Chairs,
/Cacker
Famin -[guards]-
11-09-2000, 12:18
would this a-formentioned net feed be the very netfeed that got scrued yestorday?
BT=things going t1ts up=nothing new
~Famin.....wants a T1 line :D
Hi cacker, thats very informative what you have written, but to me it still doesnt justify why it couldnt be accesed with any ISP. Thankfully, it does seem like you have allowed any ISP to acces it now (thanks btw) but I still think it should have been accesed with any ISP in the first place. Also, why have you changed your mind now all of a sudden? And why wasnt it done sooner?
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