Undertaker, better now or before ?

[[UCO] Mav [CL]]

What do you think, better now he rides a bike 'The American Badass' or when Paul Bearer was about with him ?

Last ride or Tombstone ?

[Scyther]

His Ministry Gimmic was better than this pointless 'American Badass' one. I mean What has being someone who buryies ppl got to do with being a badass??
But the Last ride is a hell of a move! :)

[Y2D]

I agree, I HATE the 'new and improved' Undertaker. He's a right, erm.....twit. I enjoyed it when he came down 2 the ring slow in the dark and when every1 was scared of him, now he's just a (HHH's word 4 Kurt Angle) pansy. Also how can he after 11 years of being the Lord of Darkness suddenly turn into this stupid punk?
I'll always go 4 the old 'Taker no matter what.

[Rikishi]

I prefer his older image too. His American Badass thing is good but doesn't really fit in with the persona he had built up.

[Divebomb]

Does anyone notice that they've now shifted Kane's persona slightly to accomodate Undertaker's "Badass" look? Especially with Mankind gone as well, Kane's now occupying that "dark/evil/mad" role - and he can speak now apparently in order to fulfill the evilness the role requires ;)

[Rikishi]

I want someone to rip his mask off!

[Scyther]

That has been done by the 'Badass' taker at... I forget which PPV it was I think it was SS. But you could'nt see Kanes face well enough to see the burnt face under the mask

[KRANK]

I think his new gimmick is better, because the "Lord of Darkness image was too over the top. I mean sitting in the bacstage area on a throne surrounded by his "disciples", and having Christian whipped for losing a match, that whole storyline was way over the top even by wwf standards. I still love it though.

[Y2D]

I actually saw his face in slow-mo, and believe me there is nothing 2 get excited about. There is nothing there (other thNthan his eyes, nose etc.). I think actually on that night they got it wrong and took off his mask while he was in the ring where every1 coud see instead of say the ramp, where he can quickly scarper, but that's just me.

[[DR.DRE]]

Ive jus stumbled on 2 this thread somehow and .. um i don't really watch WWF or wrestling anymore but wen i did he was my fav wrestler .. this was years back now ..

I remember he walked in with that eerie music and then the short guy used 2 carry the pot around which used 2 motivate him 2 winning ... He used 2 wear all black And i used 2 like it wen he done the tombstone on ppl ..+ it was good the way he always got back up from the ground (like a robot)+ and he had this immortal mentality about him ..

Wen i saw him wrestle the other day he had crap music + dressed like a Fo0o0ol and looked like he was 70yrs old ..
And then the moves he used were all jus crap .. apart from the chock slam ..

[Fenix]

i prefer the old scary undertaker, not the bads ass who keeps getting bullied by little kurk angle :wink:

[-Parasite-]

I agree with you lot, the last time i saw the Undertaker in action was his original look with Paul Bearer, I actually remember watching his debut. Notice how he's now pulling some of his old moves now, like the one where he walks along the top rope.

His biker image does not fit though. I missed his ministry period, but I've seen pics, and it looks weird. Over the top. He just doesn't have that Presence anymore. If he's gonna keep this new biker image, they should change his name too, Undertaker just does not fit anymore.

Shame.

[Y2D]

I agree totally, couldn't have said it better Dre. The Undertaker is a walking mess. But, the US crowds seem 2 like it and I guess that's all that matters 2 the WWF. Also, another dig at the Undertaker, I feel he's losing the ability 2 perform good matches. All of his lates ones I've seen are CRAP! The fued with Kane didn't work, the WWF championship matches aren't working and I don't know anything else that'll cure him from this 'awful match streek'.
If you have any ideas, I'm sure the WWF would be glad 2 hear them, email them at.......

[[C5]ACiD]

have him die, and come back as the old version, give him a few weeks to work off that belly hes developed, and he should dye his hair black and stuff. I never actually saw his "lord of darkness" persona, but i remember when he used to wear all grey, with rubber gloves.

And btw, the tombstone was a bloody amazing move, and the last ride is nowhere near as fun to watch, its just a fancy powerbomb.

I think putting taker into a "ballz out" match would bring him back to form. Anyone noticed how u dont get any good matches nowdays? All i keep hearing about is hell in a cell, and glass on mat matches. But the most violent match i've seen is the tripleh/jericho match with the knockout thing. Was at....the one with the swinging hook :D wasnt it? backlash or something. and that match was only any good cus jericho messed up his chairshot and made tripleH bleed like a stuck pig :D :D :D :D

[cubics123]

I like the old Undertaker, beating Hulk Hogan years back with Flair putting the steel chair in the ring, for the Undertaker to tombstone him on! hehe!