All The WWF "Fans" Out There !

[-BIG AL-]

I just wanted to know the reason(s) you don't watch the superior Wrestling show that is WCW.

It has better technical wrestlers i.e. wrestlers that can actually wrestle, funny and entertaining storylines, they wrestle on a proper ring not a bouncy castle, the ring actually has ring ropes rather than elastic, Its not got the same boring old characters doing the same boring old moves saying the same boring thing every week.

WCW has a new roster with new young up and coming superstars - The Natural Born Thrillers.
There is one major difference between WCW and WWF’s new blood...

Can you guess what it is?

Whereas the Thrillers are fresh out of the WCW Power Plant (A training area for up and coming young wrestlers) we have just begun to see their potential, almost all of the WWF’s "new blood" are people we already know like the back of our hands!
Many from the WCW or ECW. All of the WWF’s “fresh-faces” are well-established people like Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Tazz, Eddy, Saturn, and Raven. Excitement lies in the unknown! It’s so rare to see so many new faces jumping into the ring and not knowing what they’re going to say, how they’re going to say it, what new amazing moves are going to leave our jaws dropping, and how their abilities will stand up to the other wrestlers.

I really believe that you WWF “fans” are growing bored with the same-old, same-old week after week.
I don’t see the WWF staying on top of the ratings war all the much longer.

And I don’t see Stone Cold’s long awaited return doing anything but hurting them. I feel momentum shifting and it’s like a breath of fresh air.

But in WCW, there is new life on the horizon! Vince Russo, the man that built the WWF is slowing turning the WCW into the number 1 wrestling show again.

[UK Gamer]

WHASSSUUPPPPPP!!!!!! This is rubbish!! No-one likes WCW! If you look at the ratings Raw THRASHES Nitro every week. Everyone in this board only talks about WWF, NEVER WCW. I am not saying WCW is rubbish but i think the WWF is and will be the best for a long time to come.

[DTD sIckNesS]

Why do i like WWF?...well

I got 2 words for ya...THE HARDYZ

:)

[OGROOVER]

Originally posted by Big Al

Many from the WCW or ECW. All of the WWF’s “fresh-faces” are well-established people like Jericho, Benoit, Malenko, Tazz, Eddy, Saturn, and Raven. Excitement lies in the unknown! It’s so rare to see so many new faces jumping into the ring and not knowing what they’re going to say, how they’re going to say it, what new amazing moves are going to leave our jaws dropping, and how their abilities will stand up to the other wrestlers.



What about Just Joe, William Regal and a few others are just coming into WWF.

[-Parasite-]

The only time I can see WCW is when Ch.5 show it on Friday nights. It's gone downhill since ITV used to show it on Thursday nights about 6-7 years ago. The production is awful, I can barely hear anything because of the awful sound system WCW use, and what they are doing now storywise is what the WWF were doing in the 80's. In fact, the ratings in the US show that ECW is in fact level pegging WCW now.

Personally, I see the 3 different companies as football leagues. WWF is the Premiership, WCW - 1st Division, and ECW - 2nd division. Why go through all that expense in training new wrestlers, when you can promote them instead, and have a ready made star in the process. Established wrestlers are less of a risk then someone who is new. You have a better chance of the fans likeing someone they have heard of, then a complete unknown which the fans may hate the moment they see them.

William Regal is an ex-WCW wrestler. Looks like the WWF need another bad boy Brit in the ranks.

[Diablos]

I have only seen WWF, not WCW of ECW. I asume from you guys that it is a bit crappy compared to WWF, right?

[BombBomb]

Mainly because WCW is a pile of crap, they can't actually make their moves look real, it stands for "We Copy WWF", their ring is too small and their commentators are ****e.

Plus all their "talent" came from the WWF.

And their "Power Plant" does Spawn a few good wrestlers, yes. But then again, so does the WWF's "Funkin' Dojo". It only happens every so often. And when it does they both come out wth some quality new blood.

And what I really don't like is, while most companies can accept defeat, WCW just gets big Uncle Ted Turner to throw some more money at them to make new mistakes with.

And they were bound by a "family wrestling" promise they made. (ie no offensvie language etc). When their fans got bored and went to the WWF, what did they eventually do? They emulated WWF. And they thought that if they made more gestures to their "naughty parts", they'd beat WWF in a few weeks. How wrong they were.

That's why I watch WWF :)

[-Parasite-]

Heh heh, rant over now Bombbomb? :P

Wot he said, minus all the "naughty words"

sushing frushing Dick Dastardly... LOL ;)

[-Parasite-]

Anyway, we can't have this forum acting too much pro-WWF, so in defence of WCW, i have 3 letters for you.

Y2J

If what I've read is right, did'nt he come from WCW!!

Same with The Radicalz - Benoit, Guerrero, Saturn & Melenko.

Even Sid Vicious arrived from WCW to stay in the WWF for a while. Though looking at some recent editions of WCW, they reprised the Hogan/Vicious tag partnership they had in the WWF and of course, Hogan being the more popular, got caned by Vicious one night because he was jealous of Hogan's following.... The WWF done that same story a few years earlier. In fact, was'nt he called Sid Justice up until that point, then changed his surname to Vicious?

[BombBomb]

Yeah, I agree, but look how under-appreciated and under-used Jericho was...

If they learned how to fully utilise their talent they could easily beat the WWF ;)

<rant mode off>

Wibble kerplunk saaaaaaaing... :E

[-Parasite-]

Wot did he say?

He-he said, I a-a-agree, captain

Catch that pigeon NOOOWWWWWW :laugh:

[Diablos]

Pigeon?

[BombBomb]

:confused:

[-Parasite-]

Bah!!! :hmph:

Doesn't anyone watch the old classics anymore, Dastardly & Muttley in Catch The Pigeon and later in The Wacky Races

[Diablos]

I remember that.

[BombBomb]

Yeah, of course I remember that, just the context and circumstances in which it was used confused me :E

[-Parasite-]

Jolly good :)

[Rikishi]

You say they have loads of new talent, well what about Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, that Steiner bloke, Bret Hart, Scott Hall, They've even brought back Ric Flair in recent weeks. These are all well past it but are the main eventers.

[-Parasite-]

Steiner's, that's the tag team I could'nt remember from the WWF. I liked them, but it seems the one in WCW doesn't play the mad brother anymore. Wonder what happened to his taller brother then?

[*bongfish*]

i watched nitro yesterday for the first time and i found it very boring except for the tag team royal rumble thing, that was great, those chronic blokes are good enough to be in the WWF. sadly though after that it got very very boring.

[Diablos]

Wasted potential.

[-BIG AL-]

Right sorry about the delay in replying to my post so lets get too it.

Originally posted by sIc PsyChoTIc
Why do i like WWF?...well

I got 2 words for ya...THE HARDYZ



A good reason. One of, if not The Best tag teams in pro wrestling today. Over this past year the Hardys have been the team that has re-revolutionized high flying tag team action. I respect them for what they do. But if you like the Hardy boys I find it hard that you do like the current talent in wcw at the moment. Admittedly I haven’t seen any match on wcw television that comes close to a hardy boys match on a ppv but there getting there.


Originally posted by OGROOVER
What about Just Joe, William Regal and a few others are just coming into WWF.

William Regal or Lord Steven Regal as he was known in wcw has just recently been released due to drug problems.
Just Joe, I don’t know if he has what it takes to get to the very top but certainly has lots of potential if his recent match ups are anything to go by.


Originally posted by -Parasite-
The only time I can see WCW is when Ch.5 show it on Friday nights. It's gone downhill since ITV used to show it on Thursday nights about 6-7 years ago. The production is awful, I can barely hear anything because of the awful sound system WCW use, and what they are doing now storywise is what the WWF were doing in the 80's. In fact, the ratings in the US show that ECW is in fact level pegging WCW now.

I’m not talking about this load of trash that Ch.5 puts out. Its like just watch Heat and then cussing the WWF about being poor. Watch the real deal on Bravo to get a better idea of what’s going on.
Story wise… Sure a few angles are similar but don’t this happen in both feds???
Undertaker Vs Kane – Woo Hoo never seen that before.

ECW and WCWs ratings level pegging??? Yeah Right
ECW usually pulls a 1.4 rating in the US. You also have to take into account that it is shown while no other wrestling show is on.

The WCW and WWF go head to head every Monday night.
WCWs ratings are usually around 3.5, the WWFs around 5.2. Also worth noting is the WWFs ratings have been slowly falling since the middle of summer with the WCW gain ground every month or so.

Originally posted by BombBomb

Plus all their "talent" came from the WWF.

That's why I watch WWF :)

You’re a fine one to talk. Hmmm lets see who’s at the top of the card in the WWF:
Steve Austin: From WCW,
Chris Benoit: From WCW,
Eddy Guerrero: From WCW,
Chris Jericho: From WCW,
Raven: From WCW.

I now watch WWF to see the WCW talent!


Originally posted by Rikishi
You say they have loads of new talent, well what about Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, that Steiner bloke, Bret Hart, Scott Hall, They've even brought back Ric Flair in recent weeks. These are all well past it but are the main eventers.

Well if you had actually watched a edition of Nitro over the last 6 months you will realise that Hogan was kicked out of WCW by Vince Russo. This is no shoot. Hogan is now trying to sue WCW because of the way he parted with the company.
Kevin Nash Works with the Natural Born Thrillers away from the main event.
Scott Steiner is not well past it. Have you ever seen him ??!?
Bret Hart has been out injured since January and is still not clear to wrestle.
Same goes with Scott Hall.
Rick Flair is never in the main event nowadays.

At the moment the main event players consist of Booker T, Goldberg, Jeff Jarrett, Sting, Big Poppa Pump, Lance Storm and Mike Awesome.

And -Parasite- the brothers are still in WCW but no longer a tag team. Rick Stiener (who I think you are referring to) is currently injured.


Originally posted by *bongfish*
i watched nitro yesterday for the first time those chronic blokes are good enough to be in the WWF.

You actually like Kronic. Man you must be the only one that does. They are very poor in the ring, have little mic skills and refuse to sell anybodies moves (The Rock ?!?).
The best thing about them is there music and the 3 power moves that they do every single match.


Just had to get that off my chest. I can’t believe how bias some of you people are you seem to be putting the WCW down for things it has done in the past. Watch an up to date edition before you put it down again.
I am just expressing my view that the WWF has become tire some. They had a chance to sort this Austin Driver thing at the last ppv but no it’s got to drag out for another 3 months.
The reason I watch WCW is because of its fast pace. The 2 hours are over in a flash but the plus point being you never know what is gonna be on each week.

Al

[-BIG AL-]

Well...

[Madmac]

Just read through the posts and got to agree with Big Al,
Now I ain't seen WCW for a few months (due to work and it not being on TNT channel anymore, but to and yet more thoughts to the pot (:laugh:) WWF (which I also watch a lot of) tends to concentrate on the 'Big' wrestlers like Undertaker, Kane, etc.

WCW had more lightweight wrestlers on its books like Kidmen,
and Ray Mestireo Jr.

Now the big question?

Hands up how meny people have seen a match between the above two guys and not been impressed at how fast and technical it was, I mean they will make you belive men should fly (of the top turnbuckle :rolling:)

[BombBomb]

Originally posted by Big Al
Originally posted by BombBomb

Plus all their "talent" came from the WWF.

That's why I watch WWF :)

You’re a fine one to talk. Hmmm lets see who’s at the top of the card in the WWF:
Steve Austin: From WCW,
Chris Benoit: From WCW,
Eddy Guerrero: From WCW,
Chris Jericho: From WCW,
Raven: From WCW.

I now watch WWF to see the WCW talent! [/B]


Yeah, good point, but these wrestlers and others had been "liberated" from WCW. And I say "liberated" because they were UNHAPPY with the way that it was being run and the shows dominated by people like Kevin Nash, Hulk Frickin' Hogan, Scott Hall, Brett Hart (well maybe not him, he's great) Rowdy Roddy Piper, Ric Flair etc, and their younger people were being neglected and underused in favour of the older (AND ex-WWF :E ) people.

It may be changing now, but it will take a lot of hard work. And even if it does become superior, I'll stick with the WWF thanks. They were being bound, gagged and buggered by WCW for a year and a half in the ratings war, with no money being thrown at them by any Uncle Ted "What in tarnation happened to mah wrasslin' company?!?" Turner type people, yet they stuck with it and look what happened. They started with some new "bad-ass" attitude, Stone Cold started his infamous feud with Vince McMahon, and look what happened. Fans got bored of WCW and went to WWF.

It may happen the other way round, new ideas from WCW could regain some bored fans' interest( who would be the fans who jump ship all the time, I mean, look at WCW, it has a lot of loyal fans like yourself, where the WWF has loyal fans like me :E) but it will eventually change again, and again, and again.

That's the wrasslin' world for ya :E

[Edited by BombBomb on 09-10-2000 at 09:12 AM]

[BombBomb]

What in tarnation happened to mah fonts?!? :(

[-BIG AL-]

Am I the only one who is pissed with the state of the WWF these days? I mean, I really don't care about any storylines right now except for the whole "who ran over Austin" thing.
What ever happened to the days when the WWF Championship belt would actually change hands on Raw?
I like WCW a lot right now, despite what everyone says. I like to see belts change hands every now and then.


Originally posted by Madmac

WCW had more lightweight wrestlers on its books like Kidman and Ray Mestireo Jr.
Now the big question?
Hands up how meny people have seen a match between the above two guys and not been impressed at how fast and technical it was, I mean they will make you belive men should fly (of the top turnbuckle :rolling:)


I Totally agree with you here Madmac. WCW has much better cruiserweight talent. Seeing the WCW cruiserweight matches in the late 90s is what got me into wrestling.
The high-speed action, impossible moves that have never been seen before, made it exciting you didn’t know what was coming up next.
Certainly a lot more entertaining than the big guys.

Now don’t get me wrong, (re-reading this I knows I come across as a WCW mark) but I’m a fan of wrestling. I watch all the federations WCW, WWF, and ECW.

I’m just tired off the same WWF show every single week. If it wasn’t for Benoit and Angle I think I would have not bothered watching the last month of WWF television.

*NO SPOILERS*
Finally now the driver who knocked Austin over has been solved hopefully they will go somewhere with it.
Was anyone else surprised about the driver? I think it’s a strange but good choice.
I have to tip my hat to the WWF, absolutely NO ONE was even thinking of ****** as the driver. The WWF decided to take a huge chance. I hope it pans out to be exciting TV.

Sorry about the messed up last few paragraphs but I didn’t want to spoil Fridays RAW.

[DBGT]

I was getting board with wwf but the whole Stone Cold thing got me back into it.
wcw suck neway

[-BIG AL-]

I just got finished watching Smackdown and I have something to say about it... AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

All the belts, save two, were on the line tonight and NONE OF THEM CHANGED HANDS! And now that I think of it... I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SAW A TITLE CHANGE ON A WEEKLY PROGRAM! This is insane!

At least WCW changes title-holders on Nitro and Thunder. I wanna see Chris Benoit be the Champ without having to wait for the PPV (I can dream). I wanna see Chris Jericho pin Eddie on Raw Is War! Come on WWF, let something happen with the titles!

On WCW Nitro this week there were 2 title changes.
It makes the matches a lot better if you know that the title holder isn't always gonna win.

Don't ya think...?!?

[Tai]

I may be wrong but didn't Eddie G win the Intercontinental belt on either Raw or Smackdown? The same with Steve Blackman when he intially won the Hardcore belt. And Al Snow with the European?

Personally I prefer both WWF and ECW to WCW.

[Disdain]

I would've supported you earlier Al m8, but have only just read this thread.

WCW is by far the best wrestling organisation. After watching WWF for 10 years I finally got bored and switched to WCW 2 years ago. I still watch WWF, but Raw would be my 3rd choice proggy to watch behind Nitro and Thunder. Forget any C5 crap you see, you have to see Nitro to get an idea of WCW.

WCW was hit bad and lost some of it's good talent like Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit and so on. However new ones are coming through like the NBK, Lance Storm and my new personal fave Mike Sanders.

Just hope they keep the new youngsters going and turn them into main event status. Also good to see Ric Flair again. That man is the funniest wrestler ever.

Where the hell has my man Kanyon gone though? :(

[Disdain]

Oh yeah nearly forgot:

"I have spokan!!"

[man_of_future]

There is one difference between WCW and WWF.

WWF know what to do with their talent. True, a lot of the better wrestlers came from WCW, but look what happened to them.

*Deep breath*

Mick Foley: Anyone remember when Vader powerbombed him on the concrete? Anyone remember the brilliant angle that was set up? Anyone also remember the piss-poor scenes that resulted from it? No wonder Foley left for ECW.

Austin: WCW had him as just another wrestler. Look what WWF did with him.

Jehrico: Had the worst WCW charecter in living history. Had one of the best WWF charecters in living history.

Regal: Hasn't actually been in WCW for ages, since he's been fighting a pain killer addiction.

Raven: Didn't come from WCW, he came from ECW, where he made his name originally.


WCW have managed to **** up almost every single storyline in history. THAT is why they suck. Its got nothing to do with a talent, its how they are used.

Oh, they also got rid of JR, and replaced him with Bischoff. That just about sums them up.

[DBGT]

:)

[Macho*TD*]

Greetings, People,

Replying here at the request of Big Al, due to my 'WCW Knowledge'. So here goes:

First off, I watch both WWF and WCW, and I do feel WCW is the better of the two. WWF, for all it's talent, big budget and fancy fireworks, can't keep many plausible and solid plots anymore. WCW has the talent and the storylines, just needs the cash.

If you want to bypass the long-winded message, it can be summarised into this:


WWF Good, WCW Better



:E

Now the Long Version:

Look at events earlier this year. The Rock is the underdog VS the MacMahon/Helmsley Faction at a PPV (I forget which one). Naturally, somebody runs in to assist - Stone Cold Steve Austin. There was no real reason for it, WWF just knew that the crowd wantied him back. So he returned a few weeks prior to the PPV, limping around and getting the crowd into a frenzy with his 'Stone Cold Does WHat's Best For Him, Nobody Else' attitude. He turned up to help the Rock, and then pretty much faded away again until he was fit enough to wrestle.
Then, at another PPV where The Rock was again the underdog, defending the title against the M/H faction, who comes out to assit - The Undertaker. This time there was no reason for it, no story, he just did it. Then on RAW Kane came out to help 'Taker and Rock, again with no actual reason for it, just because it would get a reaction from the crowd.
All WWF seems capable of now is weak storylines throwing the main eventer's together, with little substance to the plot. They split up alliances for no reason and throw new ones together, again for no reason.

Not that I don't think WWF's good. The wrestling is always of pretty good quality, and the mic work they get their wrestlers to do is great (Big Shows impressions, for example :E , and Jericho's great), but as was pointed out above titles rarely change hands on RAW/Smackdown, they almost always change hands solely at PPV's. This stinks of desperation to get people to subscribe to the PPV's, knowing that their storylines don't have the pulling power they once did. Even then, The World Title changes hands far too rarely, I was sick to the teeth of The Rock/HHH juggling the Title between themselves, and their Hour-Long Iron Man Match was so boring, as Rock VS HHH had already taken place on almost every show for the last few months. Seeing it again for an hour just wasn't fun in the slightest.
It seems that WWF is running out of ideas for it's main eventers, coming up with one half-decent storyline concerning a couple of them, then leaving the others in silly matches (Big Show, for example. He's done nothing major for months, and then Shane dropped a brick on his foot).

WCW was guilty of the same for AGES, it would only use anybody who made it big in wrestling history (ie Flair and Hogan) or those that made it big in the nWo (Nash and Hall) in main events, leaving the new blood (who had obvious talent) running round in the background, occasionally getting beat up by a main eventer. They paid the price for it though, and Russo is now pulling out all the stops to get new talent to the top, and trying to phase out the old timers whose only redeeming feature is that they used to be good.
People who deserved to reach the top years back (such as Scott Steiner and Booker T) but were denied the chance are now battling for the World Title. Once WCW actually has the money to look professional, with big budget entrances and firework displays, it'll claw it's way back out of the gutter that it drove itself into.

WCW is now far more entertaining than WWF, not because WWF's bad, but because they're not doing anything majorly new. They're resting on their laurels, and if they're not careful it'll be their downfall.

My aplogies for the long message, people, but it does have some good points, I think :E

[-Parasite-]

That's a nice bit of writing you done there. Concise and straight to the point. As I've mentioned before on a previous thread, I used to watch WCW many years ago when it was on ITV, and thought it was pretty good. Then I see the current Ch.5 showing which is the only WCW programme I can watch (OnDigital don't show Bravo). It seemed to be a big mess (bad editing really, as Big Al has mentioned), and when I compared it to the WWF, I thought it looked very low budget, and I wasn't that keen on the wrestlers that were on show (who the hell is the tag team guy with the horns on his head, looks a right knob imo).

I do hope WCW can get their finger out and get back into the race, it may cause the WWF to get off their fat backsides and do something interesting again. WWF need to get those title belts changing hands more often on the regular shows, it's a pain having to wait 4-5 weeks for a PPV to come along, before something half decent happens.

Tell you the honest truth, I haven't really been paying attention to the shows when they have been on during last few weekends, normally have it on in the background as I play Counter Strike/TFC/Ultima Online.

[[NPK]8Ball]

Yeh WCW has gone right downhill since ITV used to show it,probably because the WWF steal all there decent wrestles:E

Also i heard that WCW dont let you take your own signs to the shows,they hand them out,is that true?

[Lone Wolf]

I gotta agree with the others WCW is **** now adays. I was a WCW fanatic when it was good, but it is totally **** now adays. The nWo made WCW with the famous wrestlers of all times whom i used to watch when i was a kid in WWF. Also the other wrestlers were quite good, like Rey etc.. Good luchador action. But now adays in WCW it has totally flipped, this ain't the way to get WWF people to watch WCW, you'll jus make em h8 it more m8.