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brattle
17-10-2000, 13:49
Computer RPGs are like Art and Pornography, we all have an idea of what they are, but nobody can say for sure. As I am totally bored at work at the moment, I shall delve into the depths of one of the greatest questions that has perplexed man kind :cheese:.

Okay, so a Role Playing Game by definition is a game in which the player assumes a role of another person, right? But although this definition works for pen and paper RPGs, it doesn’t for video games. If it did, Half-life would be an RPG. The player assumes the role of Gordon Freeman and is thrust into his world. He interacts with other characters and progresses through a story. So why is Half-life not classified as an RPG?

Looking from another perspective, most people would agree that Final Fantasy, Baldurs Gate and Dragons Quest are undoubtedly RPGs. The waters start to muddy though when games like Zelda come into play. The term Action RPG has been invented for these types of game, where the combat eschews the turn based fights and the action occurs in realtime.

However, Zelda is closer in the gameplay department to Tomb Raider than Final Fantasy, and Tomb Raider is never, ever classed as an RPG :rolling:. Many people say that Zelda is not an action RPG at all but an action/adventure game and this title Action RPG should only be used for games like Secret of Mana.

So what is the difference between Zelda and the Secret of Mana? On the surface, the main difference is the use of Statistics and level enhancments in the latter title. Also the use of menus for spells and items. But if this is what differentiates between an RPG and an action/adventure game, then games like Diablo and Castlevania: SOTN are also RPGs. Hmmmmmm :hmph:.

Taking another look at Zelda, the main thrust of the game lies in its devious dungeons and puzzles (as it does in tomb raider). The story is largely secondary to the gameplay. Conversely, the core of The Secret of Mana is the story, the characters and the combat.

So is a computer RPG one where the key elements are combat, characters, statistics and story? If it is, then is Deus Ex an RPG? And can somebody tell me why my head hurts?

Diablos
17-10-2000, 14:40
:monkee: :- Ha ha haa!
:dozey:

You are right.

Stonefish
29-10-2000, 19:30
I thought a RPG was labled so because you assume the role of someone else and the character develops as you play (exept FF8, worse game ever) Half life and deux ex ain't RPGs cause you don't go into depth with the character, and you don't learn much more about the character than the info you start with. Well thats the way I see it :cheese: .

Y2D
02-11-2000, 22:47
I got this definition of an RPG from ign.com, and I think it's as accurate as you'll come.
Originally posted up on ign.com
Define RPG

I was talking to a friend about how there were no decent RPG's on Nintendo other than the two Zelda titles, and he mentioned Mario 64. I told him it was a platform like Banjo & Kazooie and D.K. He didn't understand the difference between Mario and Zelda and I couldn't really explain the difference. Medieval themes are popular but they don't define RPG's do they?

Super Mario 64 is most definitely not a role-playing game (RPG). A role-playing game is generally defined by your interaction with characters who carry on much dialogue, solving puzzles, using tools you find, and often developing your character as you become more experienced. It really has nothing to do with the time-period. On the PC you'll find games like Fallout which are set in the future but fit the RPG form.




[Edited by Y2D on 02-11-2000 at 09:48 PM]

LIFTO
03-11-2000, 23:29
Although the term RPG was aoriginally used for the PnP role playing games, it has basically come to mean a game which involves characters with stats that evolve as you play. Although character development is a common element, it is not obligatory for an RPG seeing as some games outside this genre seem to have it. Therefore Deus-Ex is a semi RPG as there are skills which can be learnt with the mysterious commodity known as EXP (If I could get that for real I'd be a hero already with the number of small furry animals I've beatenup).

Karya
06-11-2000, 20:14
So, does anyone actually consider MUD2 (or any other muds) to be a RPG? By definition MUD2 is a RPG but does anyone here play it??

Eric
07-11-2000, 15:59
Well there's little old me :E

As for what a rpg is, personally I think that character development (not just stats and exp) is important. Learning process too(as you mentioned). Half-life isn't an rpg. Dunno about Deus-Ex (if someone gives a brand-spanking new 3-d card and a copy I'll quite happily try it though...).

Baldur's gate. Hmm, you can shape your character, mould it to however you feel. This is true of most good rpg's.

In mud2 this is possible, but I don't think mud is a rpg, as hardly anyone bothers. They just play for points. ;(

Karya
08-11-2000, 19:10
Hi Eric! Fancy bumping into you here<g>.

As for MUD2 being (or not being) a RPG, I think there are two levels to role-playing in mud. You have your character development and your interaction with other players, but you also have people assuming the role of other people, egos or aspects of themselves, even those people who do purely play for points. After all, how many people do you know in the real world who go around wielding picks, slaughering dwarfs, goblins and giants then taking a quick detour to the the local friendly swamp to drop off expensive gold treasure before stopping off at the tea-room to chat to the locals? And as for the player-killers ... I'm sure they are all (well mostly<g>) pefectly sane, rational people in real-life.

Then you have the other side to role-playing in mud, and that is where a person decides to fully immerse themselves in the character of someone or something else, sometimes even to the extent of creating or using another language/dialect (remember Dunbad?).

Anyway, does anyone else here (apart from Eric) play, or even heard of MUD2? It seems a bit odd that the largest RPG on Wireplay rarely gets a mention over here.

Merai Trunks
09-11-2000, 09:35
Half-life is mainly a FPS which has some RPG elements to it. You gotta admit those scientists and soilders seem to say the same thing over and over again.

There are many types of RPG's:

Zelda - Puzzle style 3D adventure RPG
Secret of mana - Level up style RPG's
Final Fantasy series: Turn based RPG
Baldues Gate 1&2: AD&D RPG
System shock 2: FPS Sci-Fi RPG

there are many more i cant think of. The most sucessful RPG's are the one that are based on fantasy instead of reality e.g. Final Fantasy or Baldurs gate.

Eric
18-11-2000, 15:06
After all, how many people do you know in the real world who go around wielding picks, slaughering dwarfs, goblins and giants then taking a quick detour to the the local friendly swamp to drop off expensive gold treasure before stopping off at the tea-room to chat to the locals?

You don't wanna know... :E

As for people not knowing about mud2 - it doesn't exactly get loads of mentions on wp. Let's hope the sorc league changes that.

Karya
19-11-2000, 19:11
I send in news and stuff about once a week for Wirenews and I try and make sure the Wireplanner always has something about MUD2 each week, but still it's not enough :(