The End Of AQ2 on wp [Archive] - Wireplay Community Forums

[CoMiX]VaMp

14-12-2000, 16:08

ok guys as ive just been told aq2 is to end in the new year its been fun playing with you lot as long as i have been .
i did my best it wasnt good enough im sorry.
the league will end and we might get chance to play a final knockout comp but i dont know yet?

to my clan well what can i say ?
17 of the best lads i know
its been one of the best calns i have had the plesure of playing with.
you lot have allways been a top bunch of lads
willing to play all the time
and win or lose never a whine :)
i hope to carry on in the next life with you lot :E
where ever it will be ?

vampy

[CoMiX]VaMp

14-12-2000, 16:09

Originally posted by amok
hi there
the servers that you see today will stay til at least early next year. your league/cup compo will be safe and we will do nothing to servers whilst that is going on. just had a word with vampy and filled him in on the details. the reason I didn't tell vampy is that I have frantically been trying to rearrange servers so that you don't lose any until it is the right time to do so.
hope you understand that gameplay/wireplay cannot support everything and hard decisions need to be made. aq2 is not the only game being scrutinized atm, most games are, so please don't feel as though I'm doing this out of spite. I always do my best for gamers......

p.s hes only doing his job....

Davvo

14-12-2000, 16:17

And a Merry Christmas to WP too:santa:.

Davvo

Mini Me33

14-12-2000, 17:31

Been fun, seen it comming tho. :cry:

Cya on the flipside lads (or barrysworld whatever comes first :E )

Foxy

14-12-2000, 17:41

Originally posted by Foxy
Ultimately overall how much of Q2 are they jacking in?

Amok I would like to see an overall official piece of what gametypes are been cut/cutback upon, and where all this freed up server space is going to and to what new gametypes?

Maybe then peeps wouldn't TOTALLY feel after x years of using a service that they were getting the boot? So maybe WP/GP should say look we are getting rid of y but we are introducing z instead that might appeal to you?

Approx they run something like 3 servers per box and thats why 2 q2 + 1 aq2 were going [ to free a box ]. 3 aq2 servers left = another box and I would imagine Q2 is going to be hacked to death server wise as well?

Surely you could at least run a few more multi-mods on some of the Q2 servers as you do now? Certainly you have the clan bgs running bg/ctf cant you at least add Aq2 to the bgs or at least some of them as an option for instance? At least that would give clans a place to praccy something? And this wouldnt as such create any extra day to day workload surely?

And whatever peeps say AQ2 is part of Q2 and I see this as a great thread to Q2 on here. If you were giving a server box to use for Q2/AQ2 would you consider that?

And I hope you just dont dump the forums as well. :( Surely you could keep them or how about merging all 3 ACTION mods [ AQ2, AHL and upcoming Action UT ] under one forum if you could merge the threads together?

And Davvo yep if things were a little differance, I'm sure more peeps would have used/be using the AQ2 & Q2 servers. As besides the netfeed problems, theres been a little thing called keeping servers fresh with maps, mod updates and the such.

Moonman

14-12-2000, 17:47

Well I won't be buying anything from Gameplay again, they're not supporting this gamer. So how much resource does it take to run a couple of copies of AQ on one of thier machines?

Maybe they should change their name to GameNoPlay/WireNoPlay?

At least if we all go over to BW the standard will be raised over there :)

SaG

14-12-2000, 18:12

Damn, i knew it would come one day - didn't think it would be so soon though!

Oh well, i say the same as Vampy - virtually everyone on WP has been brill to play with, better community than BW and other net servers if u ask me but thanks to everyone for all the frags, suicides and occasional TKs :E

Im sure ill see most of u on some other servers somewhere but if i dont then have a good one :E

Ahhh, brings a tear to my eye :*(

gregster

14-12-2000, 18:17

wft are they playing at ?????????????

well cya all on barrysworld

and as a long term user of wireplay id just like to say fuc3 u to G/P

CaSSiuS

14-12-2000, 18:24

fuking *****
i agree with moon and shall certainly not be buying from them again
they should change there name to "Either play CS or Q3 or u can just fuk off"

and yes the comunity here has been better than any comunity i have ever been part of
i just hope they keep the forum

[CoMiX]VaMp

14-12-2000, 18:39

look lads i know a lot of you are pissed of and hate g/p @ the moment
but if i can be calm then so should you
if you post a message on the forum then please think of how you are going to put you words down

flameing g/p is'nt going to get us anywhere even if it makes you feel better
amok is just doing his job in the long run so dont blame him!
TBH if anyone is to blame then in my book its joker for leaveing AQ2 to rot for 6 months .
that's when it started to go pear shaped!
but hay thats just me :E

if you flame now you'll only hurt us !
by all means dont take it lieing down but ffs dont alienate us like the UT community .

vamp

Pies

14-12-2000, 19:00

unlucky peeps :[

[B?D]Bear

14-12-2000, 19:07

*******s

Pup

14-12-2000, 20:23

Ah ****tums, well to be honest its been a catalogue of errors for approx 6-12 months at least. Starting with server degradation, followed by this slow loading crap forum, Jokers exodus without warning, ridiculous map rotation, new ips no one outside wp ever heard off etc.

Vamp has def done his best. This happens to all mods sooner or later. The one thing I wish is that it had happened when there was something for us to migrate too. As it stands there isnt. CS is too slow for me and thats about it for now.

As for lumping AQ2 in with Q2 and Q2ctf it isnt even the same species as far as I'm aware. These are both supported by Q3 near enuff for most clan migrations, AQ2 isnt. Even 1 good server left would be welcome but ce sera sera. Remember each new mod needs bigger hardware requirements and tho bandwidth is the biggy I'm suprised with a fairly vocal forum and fair commitment we hadnt some legacy support.

Thanks everyone who I've played with, I'll see you on BW, Draconis, Fury and maybe the odd Danish, Italian, Denmark servers whilst I play AQ2.

PS I dont blame Gameplay except for the last 12 months in not having a friggin clue how to help us. Least they gave us some decent servers for a few years and clan rcon.

Pup

14-12-2000, 20:28

by the way my first word above is "awww sh-itt-ums"
****ing wankstain autoword ****edupmess****typoo thing ;)

Foxy

14-12-2000, 20:28

Look peeps dont despair completly ok!!!!!

I doubt theres nowt we can do about losing the dedicated AQ2 servers but I'm not giving up without a fight and to see AQ2 totally gone from WP. Been talking over a viable alternative with Cov the Q2 CL, and Vampy, Cov & me will be discussing this in further detail tonite. Not as ideal as before maybe, but trust us!

Cass its actually more like Halflife [ CS etc ] UT then Q3. :E

Q3 has been a poorly place to be on WP as it hasnt been such a community driven game that it should have been, with direction and energy lost for various reasons. :cheese:

manta7

14-12-2000, 20:57

well i ve been playin aq2 nearly from the start on wp, i think at least one server should be available, i even have seen some newbies on the servers of late to........ great timing huh ?

Least i'm sure bw will keep aq2 alive and kicking for some years to come, it is a shame cos i cant really fault wp aq2 expect for the past 6 months or so, well done vampy/foxy for all your efforts it is much appricated indeed.

is it worth starting a patition or something ????

Personally i still play q2 rather than q3 cos of the age group, its so much more mature (most of the time)

Oh well good bye gameplay, hello electronics boutique and barrysworld, and if bw start selling games.......

PS yes my spelling is sh;t

PPS if anyone wants to join RvSf for some net ownage get in touch !!!!!!!!

Tolk

14-12-2000, 21:06

WTF!!!!

As one of the original gamers on wireplay, hell I used to pay my £10 a month for this, I think this is pretty bad.

Look at Barrysworld and you can see full AQ2 game servers.

Ever since the mess with the WP routers and now WP3, It was on the cards for AQ2 to die. (Planned ???)

Well, I know I'm off to Barrysworld now and good bye WP :o)

Contact me by ICQ if anyone is setting up new Barrysworld clans.

fat abbot

14-12-2000, 21:18

oh feck. well, its been fun while it lasted for the, nearly 2 years i played for, i think thats how long anyway, cheers for trying to save it vampy and foxy, much appreciated. seen it coming really, im gutted cos this is what brought me on the internet in the first place. doubt ill play it any more cos like ive said before, i dont like BW much. im not gonna hate WP for this cos tbh, if no one is gonna play on the servers and everyone just fuks off to BW i dont blame them for shutting down the servers, it no ones fault but the unfaithfull players who whine about ping and lag.
oh well, cheers to everyone ive played with, its been brilliant, c u in mirc or whatever :)

breath

14-12-2000, 22:13

/me packs his bags.. see you all on barrysworld..... :E

'ang on a min... what if we could provide our own servcrs to play on? would they still axe the game?

Mini Me33

14-12-2000, 23:26

Hmmm, so they are killing off the aq2 community to try a "resurrection" of the Q3 community? well all i have to say is THAT IS F U C K I N G G A Y WP IS A BUNCH OF S H I T

p.s. read wpdirect its all about the brand new resurection of the q3 community

[Edited by Mini Me33 on 14-12-2000 at 10:27 PM]

Jaffo

15-12-2000, 00:40

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you Abbo (don't think I'm picking on ya, it's just your's was the last post I read :D) but this situation has been brought about almost exclusively by Wireplay/Gameplay.

The migration of players to other servers was caused entirely by the state of the ones provided here. We have been crying out for map updates, server updates for well over a year. I agree that Joker buggering off didn't help but when Vampy stepped in, he (and others) tried as hard as possible to regenerate interest in AQ on Wireplay.

They offered to provide all the maps to Amok (or whoever it is who has AQ on their workload - do they do any???) and map rotations and these were never applied to the servers... For Christ's sake, a map rotation is only a text file and they couldn't even be bothered to sort that out for us.

The last league was an abortion from the word go because of the dire state of the servers and this, coupled with the poor map cycles, has forced people to leave. I myself have only stuck around because I have admin duties to fulfil (I usually play on the NGI servers because they have provided a smoother game of AQ for the last 10-12 months than these and they're in Italy ffs!)

I'm sure I'll see you all on some of the more 'gamer' oriented servers from now on (even I've started to use BW now!) but at least now I know what I want from Santa this Christmas... to see Wireplay/Gameplay going under. :santa:

PS. Looking at the WP news, have you noticed that AHL, a game that has always had less support from gamers than AQ will be keeping it's servers for the foreseeable future, leagues, prizes etc. Is it a coincidence that the AHL CC is called SKUNK and most of the WP news stories were posted by someone called SKUNK? Hmmmmmm

breath

15-12-2000, 14:38

ffs gameplay where's your christmas spirit?:santa:

btw there will be aq2 servers available at this lan (http://www.gx-lan.co.uk) in Feb so I hope to have some memorable games on it :)

Merry Chirstmas all :E :santa:

Moonman

15-12-2000, 15:22

Christmas spirit has gone, so at lunch I returned the games bought from Gameplay for Christmas presents and went bought them from somewhere else :P Cheaper too :)

Scaleb

15-12-2000, 17:22

heh, lo Pies...

Anyways, looks like peeps were moving to BW, Fury, NGI, or whatever for a while now - Better pings and quality of players. Or could move onto UT, Q3 or Half-Life, Q2 IS getting old now...

I just hopes some community spirit keeps going - That was the best part of WP AQ2 and the reason why it hasn't crashed already.

BTW Yay for Vampy and Foxy for their hard work :E

KingChris

15-12-2000, 18:18

I also have used WP for a couple of years, tolk remember u had the choice of a tenner a month or 2.5p a min ?

I used to play Shadow warrior and Q1 , then i started gettin good at Sw and then they ditched the SW servers, now they're doing it to AQ2, Why oh Why must they always pick on me ??? :(

Chunky Boy

15-12-2000, 19:45

At least they closed them before you got good at this game though Chris :P

ONLY JOKING MATE! :E

Seriously though, It's a disgrace that these servers are being closed. Rest assured, come the revolution, these bàstards will be first against the wall.

:smokin:

Cov

15-12-2000, 20:54

okay (deep breath) the hard word first:

All games have been looked at recently as there obviously a finite amount of servers and new games all the time. Games whose communities have lessened (for whatever reason be it server problems, alternative games, competiton from other gaming services) will obviously come under evaluation. Without getting into a "this game has less players and servers" type of argument, there are many and varied factors in why games come under scrutiny and unfortunately this is the case with AQ2. As many of you have already said the community has declined (for whatever reasons, and they are multifaceted as AQ2 has declined as a whole)... and unlike some other games there are genuine alternatives (AHL, CS etc) to which AQ2 has lost players.

And the basic facts are that there are less than 200 players in the community (at best). Thus with new games arriving and a finite number of servers such communities inevitably have to lose out in the end.

However Gameplay after reviewing the situation saw that you had leagues and competitions running and have assured the servers for that length of time. So its not a case of chopping the community off in an ad hoc fashion. Long term however harsh decisions have to be made and there isn't the ammo needed (in terms of players or the possibility of the community, life of the game lasting) to argue with gameplay.

Again, however, that need not mean the end. Foxy, Vampy and myself have been rapidly scribbling up alternative plans and in an unsettling display of synchronicity Amok has come to some similar conclusions.

I don't want to go into details but we are looking at drawing up a provision for AQ2 to provide servers for the community in an alternative way to the present. In other words to make more use of the resources we have at present. This is going to take some time, which fortunately gameplay have provided by stating your servers are assured for the short term. This allows us to draw up plans for an alternative provision.

I know this may not seem like much, but Foxy, Vampy, myself and Amok will be doing what we can to try and assure a long term future for AQ2 in some form. But please do bear in mind what I have said previously in the post. These decisions are hard for all, including gameplay staff,a nd aren't made lightly.

Ashkash

15-12-2000, 21:01

HMMMM nice to play with u lot etc...i think we should get together and chip in for a server, like there is anypoint :), but bw community is full of well, llamas :)

Foxy

15-12-2000, 21:57

<Goes in pocket and hands WP a wad>

:cheese:

16-12-2000, 00:39

damn, that sux guys

i dread the day this happens to KP:(

fat abbot

16-12-2000, 21:08

jaffo, dont get me wrong, i agree that WP could have done a lot to make the servers better and made people stay but i dont see why people are just being immature and calling WP ******s when they dont even play on the "sh1t" servers any more. what the hell does it matter to them if the servers are shut down as theyre so lame in their eyes and they dont even play on them any more. see what i mean?

[CoMiX]VaMp

17-12-2000, 00:45

lets just hope KP has full server all the time m8 :E

Foxy

17-12-2000, 01:32

Jaffo, BTW =Skunk= the AHL CC peep aint the same peep as SKUNK the gameplay dude who runs Filemonster etc [ and was infact TFC CC and runner like forever ]. And frankly it isnt the way to have a go at other gametypes, cos AQ2 isnt the only thing been cut back, it wasnt the 1st and wont be the last. ALL communities are been looked at!!! So if the servers are under used they will be cut/cut down upon.

munch111

17-12-2000, 01:41

Ashkash, calling yourself a llama now as u are very much part of BW community

SaG

17-12-2000, 02:30

couldnt be bothered to read Cov's reply - too long :E

anyone summarise it for me?

Jaffo

17-12-2000, 02:45

Thanks about the Skunk thing, just seemed odd that's all but I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the fact that AHL is being kept going when it has less player support than AQ2 but, hey, that's WP for you!

Anyway, it's too late in the day to be arguing the toss (on these equally poor forums) over the servers anymore. They've dropped us and nothing's gonna change that.

Goodnight Vienna :hmph:

fat abbot

17-12-2000, 13:19

yes im right! :D

speaking on the forums there being a lot faster for me now. are they gonna leave the forums vamp, foxy?

[CoMiX]VaMp

17-12-2000, 14:16

i dont know m8 but if they dont we have 2 places for our forums to go q2central
and our site

Foxy

17-12-2000, 15:38

Forums. Well they have no excuse really to keep an Action forum, even if they merge all the 3 versions into one forum. For starters theres enough other crap forums out there and certain forums they dont even have any game servers running [ Q3 UT ]. I be pushing to keep a forum of sometype here.

Slow? Yes they are, slightly better than before BUT no other forum board will be any quicker for the amount of users accessing it at one time in peak times.

Rubbish Jaffo, everyone is been looked at. If their servers are full then they have nowt to worry about. How the fek do you know AHL is been keeped going and in the same way it has been? Maybe also AHL might have been given a slight grace since for awhile nobody could play it cos of the halflife patch problems. And dont blame anyone for posting news about their gametype, things have to be business as usual cos noone really knows what gametypes are been cut to WP decide to tell them/us.

At the end of the day we have only ourselves to blame. I'm always on at odd times in Nov/Dec but from what I've been looking, theres been hardly anyone on the wp aq2 servers except for the odd new peep.

And the updates of maps etc goes back to Jan this year when I tried to get stuff on. Its only been in the last month that WP have really talked to Vampy properly, the disappearance of Joker cost us dearly. And its come a little bit late to turn things around before WP have started to cut back on gametypes.

The whole piont at the end of the day is that we are trying to save AQ2 on WP in one form or another. BUT will you lot use the servers that will be here is the question, or will your dislike of WP mean you wont? Cos theres alot of work involved in sorting a solution out and I don't see the piont if all the hard work will be for nought. Remember Cov didnt have to listen to my suggestions I put forward.

Jaffo

18-12-2000, 01:38

This (http://www.gameplay.com/wireplay/wpnews/826613) news article and this (http://forums.gameplay.com/showthread.php?threadid=202882) thread is how the feck I came to the conclusion that AHL will still be going for a while.

And dont blame anyone for posting news about their gametype...

Wtf is that about? I've not blamed anyone for posting news, if anything there should be more news posts to let people know how their community is being shafted.

Will we stay with WP??? Well, instead of all the cloak and dagger 'we're working out a possible solution', why not tell us what your ideas are and we'd give you some feedback as to whether or not it could be successful.

And finally, *starting to sound like stuck record*, the blame is not with us. If WP had maintained it's AQ2 servers and updated the maps now and then, this place would still be packed... that's why Barrysworld (http://www.barrysworld.com/news/) is.

samo

18-12-2000, 11:59

i mean this doesnt seem as a surprise, cos no one is ever on it.
the only reason aq2 on wp died is probs cos of the dialup cost originally. this meant that less peeps pld there and smaller community. some clans wanted more and better competition so went for bw aswell/instead. thus less peeps on wp. when servers etc went crap some of these went off to bw for ever. then less peeps. cant even fill a server now.
oh and btw vamp and foxy i no u done a lot. thank u and tell me wot ure plan is!!!

Cov

18-12-2000, 12:10

The reason we haven't detailed possibile solutions is partly as there are several, and partly we have to make sure they are viable before seeing how the community thinks. And one of the main questions is whether putting into action a radical reorganisation of servers is worth it-and we base that on your feedback

over to you

Foxy

18-12-2000, 18:01

Jaffo the "dont blame anyone for posting about their gametype" covers the news item about AHL version 4, which you mentioned 1st cos of it been in the wp newsletter and on the news. Theres no new news to be had about AQ2 at all besides newbie & leagues which Vampy pimped anyways. AHL is still been worked upon by the A-Team, AQ2 isnt by them anymore. I still dont get why you think AHL is getting better treatment cos of having a news item about it etc?

Re: Skunks thread. Probaly stuff which you aint in the know about. Such things as hes been to the GP meetings and knows abit more of the current direction that GP is headed, is a beta tester for AHL so can comment on how well new versions are going and been CC has done the best he can for his gametype. As for prizes for AHL well you could have had prizes lined up before for AQ2 and infact as far as I know has it ever had prizes before, cos it should have a long time ago? And as I said noone really knows whats for the axe till WP come out with it.

As whos to blame? Well both the community and WP are. For awhile we were running around like headless chickens since we didnt have a CC to discuss things for us. Then when we finally got someone again, that fell apart for various reasons and again left us in limbo for awhile. Vampy tried to pick up the pieces but for various reasons, its taken too long to have him acknowledged by WP and just as things started to get moving BOOM!, theres the rumour about losing the servers and then the fact we are losing em, as part of WP cutting back.

As telling you the plan of action? Aint my job to do. I suggested a few ideas and its for Vampy and Cov to discuss em really to tell you whats going on. I aint CC or CL m8 they are [ and I would image they would be discussing it more during the day, adding and refining info ], and can give you a better picture of whats happening, especially Cov as hes in the thick of things with access to more info then I have.

And when I posted something before saying something is been discussed it was not cloak & dagger, I simply could not discuss details which I didnt have at the time. I had infact painted a very broad idea in my original post about the aq2 servers going, so infact I wasnt hiding nowt, it just need fleshing out and seeing what was and was not possible. It just seemed everyone got the idea that they were going period and infact were going the same week.

At the end of the day will you use wp or not still? Its really upto Vampy to give you a base outline of the prospal and get some feedback from you lot about it?

Jaffo

18-12-2000, 20:45

Over to us Cov? You've still not told us anything!?! You sound like the management where I work... :E

To clarify my deductive reasoning Foxy, I'm reckoning that they're not gonna drop AHL if they're reporting on a new version being released in February, that's all :D. Now, some may say that that's fair enough (if the game is still being developed, it should be supported) but I don't think it should if it doesn't have the player support that other games have (like AQ does, even now, on WP) but I realise that AQ isn't the only game being dropped. (what else is going btw?)

Does it seem like I'm picking on AHL? Well, it was the first one I looked at but I suppose I am really cos I can't for the life of me understand why people play HL or any of it's mods online cos none of them are enjoyable. So there... :P

We await your suggestions Vampy/Cov.

[CoMiX]VaMp

18-12-2000, 22:56

i wos going to post something and this is it for now

im pissed i cant be arsed feking about at the moment playing in a flame war of sorts my head hurts

ive pulled a ligament danceing like a d*ck
i hurt all over

when me and fox/cov have sorted things out we will tell everone whats going on theres no point now
what good would it do to get ppl's hopes up ?
it aint going to happen
be asurred that we are doing all we can to save aq2 on wp in one for or another!
we have allways told you lot whats been hapening when we can
you think we know whats goining on in wp ?
fek that they did'nt even tell us that the i.p's had changed!

cov is a top bloke and he's here to help us as much as posible

as for fox fek
aq2 wouldnt have lasted this long with out his help!
me wubs you both!!!

"mental note icq someone to edit this for me"

[Edited by [CoMiX]VaMp on 19-12-2000 at 11:20 AM]