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-[Raven]-

14-01-2001, 13:08

There was an _enormous_ thread about this on the TFC board, and I came to to the conclusion before than anyway that it was fake.

All these oddities in the photos etc, plus all the evidence of Buzz and Neil getting upset when questioned and stuff like that, plus the only feed being screened onto a single screen, which all the other cameras had to film (thats just stupid).

Piles more stuff, so yeah.

I wouldn't put it past the Americans either.

mr_grumpy_man

14-01-2001, 14:54

I'd say the odds are 30/70 in favour of it being legit... if it's fake then its the biggest cover up of all time (even bigger than anything that may/may not have happened with the JFK assassination).

There have been too many documentaries, films etc for me to suspect it not to be true... I think... I don't know :{

Certainly we've been to the moon since - but I guess what with the cold war etc it's a good possibility it was all a set up.

Can't remember the name of the film mentioned - though I know the one you're on about.

travis bickle

14-01-2001, 16:41

i beleive its fake after reading a book a good few years back highlighting things that pointed to it being a fake (ill have to dig it up again)

also why has nobody been to the moon for such a long time? i think it was probably a set up by the usa to prove that they had superiority in space over the russians

dont get me started on jfk.............

mr_grumpy_man

14-01-2001, 20:51

I think no one's been back for a bit because all the money's going into shuttles and satellites... just wait until the moon becomes interesting to big business - then we'll start again :)

starscream

14-01-2001, 21:42

the film was Capricorn one

Y2D

27-01-2001, 15:32

Originally posted by travis bickle
also why has nobody been to the moon for such a long time?
I believe that it WASN'T a cover up and it really did happen.
The reason nobody has been up 4 so long is because NASA have learned that ppl are getting bored of ppl going 2 the moon, and are now concentrating on discovering other planets, and at another extent, even galaxies...

mr_grumpy_man

28-01-2001, 01:49

I'd guess it's due to the cost... and what would be gained from visiting the moon now? I think the next time we visit the moon will be to start somekind of permanent presence there.

Firenze

28-01-2001, 03:33

i read something a while ago and it had a picture of this moon landing and pointed out what looked like footprints before they had even left the shuttle

FunkyGibbon

28-01-2001, 18:30

Also you gotta look at the facts when diciding whether or not it happened.

Why do all the photo graphs look like they've been done by professional photographers? (okay they might've touched up the pictures a bit) and photofilm in space temp would crinkle.

I don't think a human could survive outside the 'Van Allen' radiation belts, unless they were surrounded by 4ft of lead all over.

why on most of the photos there are no stars?

Also the light source seems odd on most photos, as well as the angles of some shadows of the astronauts?

Most of the close up pictures of the men on the moon show their chest and head, but the cameras they used were strapped to the chest and the head wont be visable, unless the person with the camera is about the 7ft height range to get that type of picture.

My opinion on why NASA stopped 'going' to the moon was because they were afraid of being caught out. C'mon you gotta think of the circumstances on why America wanted a man on the moon.

1. to win the space race (if you can't win cheat)

2. NASA got A LOT of money for it.

3. it was during the time of the Vietnam war and the man on the moon was most probably a diversionary tactic to get peoples mind of the war. If anyone has seen the film 'Wag The Dog' you'll know what i'm talking about.

Lugi@

28-01-2001, 19:02

You all make me sick.Considering man's greatest achievement as a fake?You've been sucked into one of those 'it was a cover up,honest' stories that actually have little truth in them.

1:People can survive in space.They're called spacesuits you see,and you put them on and you are then protected.Same with the cameras.They were protected too.

2:The reason for the one screen which everyone filmed is because T.V in those days was primitive.So if ropes were tied to them in a cover-up shooting,then they would show.I mean,look at Thunderbirds.

3:The 'footprint' could have been shot at a funny angle which made a teeny crater look like it.

4:What about the moon rock they brought back?

5:The tears were probably because a)They were upset at having to spend time in quarantine,or b)they were at upset at the thought that someone could doubt their achievement.

6:All the people who saw the lift-offs.NASA is'nt that rich to bribe them all.

7:No stars eh?Well,how bloody big is the Earth?How many starts would it block?And the other shots were taken at ground-eye level.The stars would have been in the sky,you would have to look up,not just ahead.

8:Most importantly,JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN A BOOK,DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE!!!!!

Next you'll be telling me Apollo 13 was a drama series for the BBc to boost its ratings.

Fake indeed...PAH!You sicken me!

Waller

28-01-2001, 21:23

Originally posted by Lugi@
You all make me sick.Considering man's greatest achievement as a fake?

I would have thought man's greatest archievement was making so many people believe that it was genuine.

I've never believed it to be genuine, but that might be related to my highly cynical nature.

[Edited by Waller on 28-01-2001 at 08:24 PM]

-[Raven]-

28-01-2001, 22:17

Calm down dood.

Nope, according to many scientists the landing modules radiation shielding was so thin it would cook the astronauts in seconds.

The cameras they used weren't specially shielded, they were just regular cameras, like any old Kodak camera you can buy today.

Nope, TV then is just the same as now. They did have video splitting cables in them days you know :rolleyes:

We aren't saying its all fake, just the first mission.

They ran out crying when asked, 'So what was it like being the first men on the moon' actually, and it was reported on many seperate occasions. This wasn't shortly after the mission, these are at events over years afterwards, like 10 years or so sometimes.

Erm, as there is no atmospehere on the moon, there would be 10x as many stars visible, whereas there are none on the photos.

It isn't one book, there is plenty of evidence.

Such as in many photos, the aiming reticule (the crosshair) goes behind a rock. Now that certainly doesn't make sense.

There are many many inaccuracies in the photos, many being very odd lighting from where there were no lights, odd shadows, etc.

Theres a lot more evidence than you'd think. America was losing the space race, and likes been said, if you can't win, cheat.

Also, if they were desperate, it couldn't be hard to knock up some moon rock in a lab. But that was all retrieved in later missions.

Secondly, it was perfectly feasible for NASA to set up a bright beacon that could be seen on Earth. It was also suggested at the time, and would create an enormous sensation on Earth. They didn't though, did they?

Karen

30-01-2001, 15:02

Well, as much as I would love for it to be true, I think I am now more inclined to believe it's a fake. It's a bit of a shame though as this went down as one of the most significant moments in history.
I know for a fact that man has visited the moon though, in one of the superman films when thoes evil, bad guys dressed in black land on the moon there are already a couple of astronaughts there.:P
Now thats what I call proof.

Y2D

03-02-2001, 17:27

I think I'm gonna have 2 research this. From this present moment, I believe that it was the real thing, and man has gone 2 the moon.
But, I'll let you know after the research if my mind has changed.

travis bickle

03-02-2001, 18:50

Originally posted by Lugi@
You all make me sick.Considering man's greatest achievement as a fake?

JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN A BOOK,DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE!!!!!

Next you'll be telling me Apollo 13 was a drama series for the BBc to boost its ratings.

Fake indeed...PAH!You sicken me!

woah! who let this one out?

first of all i wouldn call landing on the moon mans greatest acheivement- what has it acheived? do we live there? did it bring back miraculous cures? intelligent life? nope. just rock

who said that it was true cos it was in a book? i merely highlighted the fact that there was a book that highlighted evidence that it was a fake

the last thing is apollo 13 was a FILM bought by the bbc to boost their ratings

pah! we sicken you? we are entitled to opinions my friend

take it easy man- youll have a heart attack!

Y2D

03-02-2001, 21:36

Originally posted by travis bickle
first of all i wouldn call landing on the moon mans greatest acheivement
You wouldn't?
I definately would. If you think about all the safety precautions etc. that has 2 be taken in2 concideration and not 2 mention actually getting in2 space, nevermind the landing bit. There's just so many things you have 2 think about.
Anyways, I would call it mans gr8st achievement. As the world revolves around space technology.

-[Raven]-

04-02-2001, 01:07

Hehe, can't remember where I heard this, but...

When NASA scientists were first presented with a way to get astronauts back to Earth safely and cheaply, one of the first (and first to be scrapped suggestions) was to have the 'naut leap out of the craft in a space suit, then use jets to propel him toward the Earth. He would have a special nose cone atachment for his helmet to aid re-entry.

Then when he was at a perscribed altitude, he would release his parachute and drift safely to Earth. Anywhere on Earth. Most likely in the ocean. If it had ever happened, it would be the world record for the longest sky dive, lasting around 40 mins I believe.

It was ditched because of safety problems, and the many variations for landing (don't want to land in some terrorist nation back in them days).

:D

Firenze

04-02-2001, 01:53

rofl now that would be one of mans greatest achievements

travis bickle

04-02-2001, 02:22

Originally posted by Y2D
[QUOTE]Originally posted by travis bickle
[B]Anyways, I would call it mans gr8st achievement. As the world revolves around space technology.

in what way? can we not function without it? oh wait we did?

i do agree that space travel is impressive but its not exactly essential- not yet anyway!

Y2D

04-02-2001, 16:32

Tis more important than you think.
If there were no astronimours (sp?) then, we wouldn't know about incoming comets/meteors etc. from space. How the world activates (atoms, gravity etc.). Extra land when the Earth becomes 2 populated (A bit far off, but still taken in2 concideration). How we were created and how far the body's limits can go. And many, many, many other things.
You're just 1 of those other 'non-believers' who think there's nothing more 2 life than sitting on yer arse drinking boose.

Lugi@

04-02-2001, 20:36

Actually,the world revolves around the Sun.

One mo,I've just thought of something.Someone said that the U.S.A cheated to beat the Russians.But the Russians were'nt even close to landing on the moon.Sure,they could orbit the Earth,but that's easy enough these days(and in their days).

Lugi@

04-02-2001, 20:40

Originally posted by travis bickle
The last thing is Apollo 13 was a FILM bought by the BBC to boost their ratings

No,I meant that the next thing you would suggest is that the BBC and other networks faked Apollo 13 in the 70's so that evryone would watch it.Apollo 13 really happened!

Y2D

04-02-2001, 20:51

Originally posted by Lugi@
Actually,the world revolves around the Sun.

Extremely funny.

travis bickle

04-02-2001, 21:25

Originally posted by Y2D
Tis more important than you think.
If there were no astronimours (sp?) then, we wouldn't know about incoming comets/meteors etc. from space. How the world activates (atoms, gravity etc.). Extra land when the Earth becomes 2 populated (A bit far off, but still taken in2 concideration). How we were created and how far the body's limits can go. And many, many, many other things.

You're just 1 of those other 'non-believers' who think there's nothing more 2 life than sitting on yer arse drinking boose.

all this from travelling to the moon- correct me if im wrong but i dont think we learnt any of that from landing on the moon

how can you judge me you fool- i dont drink by the way and i think you must be terribly retarded to think that anyone would think that anyway

there is no reason for me to think that apollo 13 was fake- i was merely mocking your previous post

Y2D

04-02-2001, 21:44

I never mentioned any of this had anything 2 do with the moon, you just said:
in what way? can we not function without it? oh wait we did?

i do agree that space travel is impressive but its not exactly essential- not yet anyway!

And I from then on said that space exploration IS extremely important with the above reasons.

FunkyGibbon

04-02-2001, 23:29

Originally posted by Lugi@

Someone said that the U.S.A cheated to beat the Russians.But the Russians were'nt even close to landing on the moon.Sure,they could orbit the Earth,but that's easy enough these days(and in their days).

I think that the Russians were the first to send a Cosmonaut in space and bring him back ALIVE

The russians were the FIRST ones to send a probe to the moon and received signals back from the probe

They also sent a probe into Venus and got back a picture

For a country claiming to be No1. superpower and beaten by their 'old enemy, mother russia' to the space race, wouldn't that be reason enough to cheat?

-[Raven]-

04-02-2001, 23:46

Very true Mr Gibbon.

FunkyGibbon

05-02-2001, 00:11

Cheers m8y :E heres your £fiver *hush hush, nod nod, wink wink*

travis bickle

05-02-2001, 00:38

Originally posted by Y2D

And I from then on said that space exploration IS extremely important with the above reasons.

ok then lets take it you mean space exploration in general

was newton in space when he came up with the theory of gravity? was john dalton in space in the early 1800s?

you also mentioned astronomers- did they not have theories before space travel

you also mentioned more space when earth becomes '2 populated' - as we are talking about what has been done so far- nothing has been done in any way to help us live on any other planet

how we were created surely has more to do with the theory of evolution- unless of course you are referring to the big bang which im sure was devised without the help of space travel

im off to drink some 'boose'!

Karen

05-02-2001, 01:51

lol@Trav

For what it's worth, I think space exploration is important but I think that we should address the problems on our own planet before we move on to others.

travis bickle

05-02-2001, 11:30

ah finally -some support :)

i totally agree with what you are saying!

Y2D

05-02-2001, 22:08

Support? How the hell is that support? He agrees with ME saying that space exploration is important. And you said nothing of adressing problems on this planet anywhere. So, I'd say yer buggered.

was newton in space when he came up with the theory of gravity? was john dalton in space in the early 1800s?
No, but that's not the point. 2 learn about gravity, we have 2 be on our own planet 2 find out the general effects of it.

you also mentioned astronomers- did they not have theories before space travel

They did, but, the key word in that sentence was THEORIES. It's easy 2 make a theory, but it's even harder 2 prove that it's right. Without travelling in2 space, a theory about aliens or whether the moon is made of cheese, can't be proved.
So, 2 prove that a theory is right, space travel is very important.

unless of course you are referring to the big bang which im sure was devised without the help of space travel

But that's where you're wrong. 2 find out what actually happened in the Big Bang, astronomers need 2 travel in2 the depths of space 2 search 4 new galaxies so that they can have some clue 2 know just what happened, and how it created us.
So space travel is important 2 find out how we 'started'.

im off to drink some 'boose'!
Whatever takes your fancy. But you don't have 2 tell us!

Diablos

05-02-2001, 22:20

I think they should establish colonies in space & on other planets, that would be nice.

It would also be nice if the earth was destroyed by a meteor.

da Cyborg

05-02-2001, 22:40

Space exploration thus far has achieved little. It has wasted loads of £money (and im talking ****loads of cash), for next to no useful results. The things that have been discovered have been generally sweet (poor). Oh no, wait, there's 4 billion year old rock on the moon! Woohoooo. Who gives a sweet?

SOMEONE:- unless of course you are referring to the big bang which im sure was devised without the help of space travel

SOMEONE ELSE:- But that's where you're wrong. 2 find out what actually happened in the Big Bang, astronomers need 2 travel in2 the depths of space 2 search 4 new galaxies so that they can have some clue 2 know just what happened, and how it created us.
So space travel is important 2 find out how we 'started'.

The big bang is bull****, m8. It's just a lame load of crap invented by science type buffoons who couldnt accept that they will never be able to explain everyfreakinthing with science. Scientists bum dogs. LOL.

travis bickle

05-02-2001, 22:50

Originally posted by Y2D
was newton in space when he came up with the theory of gravity? was john dalton in space in the early 1800s?
No, but that's not the point. 2 learn about gravity, we have 2 be on our own planet 2 find out the general effects of it.
[/B]

jesus christ youre thick! you said that space exploration was important for learning about gravity and then said it was important to stay on our to learn about it- what a contradiction!!

Originally posted by Y2D
unless of course you are referring to the big bang which im sure was devised without the help of space travel

But that's where you're wrong. 2 find out what actually happened in the Big Bang, astronomers need 2 travel in2 the depths of space 2 search 4 new galaxies so that they can have some clue 2 know just what happened, and how it created us.
So space travel is important 2 find out how we 'started'
[/B]

it is impossible to 'search for new galaxies' the sheer vastness of our means that we have a lot to learn about it and i would also be impossible to travel to new ones- besides which this would not tell us anything new about the big bang, as you originally posted, as it is a theory which cannot be proven! we cannot go back in time

Originally posted by Y2D
Support? How the hell is that support? He agrees with ME saying that space exploration is important. And you said nothing of adressing problems on this planet anywhere. So, I'd say yer buggered.

maybe i didnt but that wasnt the issue- we were talkin about what space travel has acheived - not what it will acheive

youd say i was buggered? by what? your basic knowledge of science and your inadequate attempt to try and contribute to this thread- i am no science genius but i know enough to know that most of what you are posting is complete drivel

Originally posted by Y2D
im off to drink some 'boose'!
Whatever takes your fancy. But you don't have 2 tell us!
[/B]

yet again i have managed to mock you without you realising- i dont drink BOOZE (much!) but it is a stimulant that helps you have a good time (if you know what that is!) and there is no correlation between thick people and those that drink alcohol

you thick tw@t!

Y2D

05-02-2001, 23:16

Originally posted by travis bickle
[B]
jesus christ youre thick
Yes, I am thick. And 2 think, such a highly educated person like yourself is arguing with a dumb thicko like me. Now, who does that make thick?
The highly intelligent person - a la you, or the idiot like me who knows nothing about the subject whatsoever. But yet, you're still taking time out of your busy schedule 2 post this.
MY GOD YOU'RE A GENIUS! CAN'T EVEN PUT A COMMER IN YOU'RE!

it is impossible to 'search for new galaxies' the sheer vastness of our means that we have a lot to learn about it and i would also be impossible to travel to new ones- besides which this would not tell us anything new about the big bang, as you originally posted, as it is a theory which cannot be proven! we cannot go back in time
Hmm...TV seems 2 be lacked in your household.
Yes, yes, maybe the Big Bang can't be proven...or can it? Programmes such as 'Universe' on channel 4 give gr8 tutorials 4 us thickies out there and can explain just what is happening throught our galaxy.
But wait! Did you say we can't find out about other galaxies!? Then TV must really be at a shortage, because only a couple of months ago on the news, it said that a new planet had been found in a new galaxy. But of course, that's bull ****, 'cos the Universe circles around you.

[B]youd say i was buggered? by what? your basic knowledge of science and your inadequate attempt to try and contribute to this thread- i am no science genius but i know enough to know that most of what you are posting is complete drivel

Now you're really scaring me. I said yer buggered, 'cos you had no support from that other bloke. But if you're taking it offensively, then, fine.

yet again i have managed to mock you without you realising- i dont drink BOOZE (much!) but it is a stimulant that helps you have a good time (if you know what that is!) and there is no correlation between thick people and those that drink alcohol

You don't get out much, do you? 'Cos if you did, you'd know there's something around called 'sarcasm'.
Otherwise known as being sarcastic. I'll just leave a 'super-being' like yourself on your way though now. Wouldn't want 2 look gay now would we? With us 'thick' folk.

travis bickle

05-02-2001, 23:34

:laugh:

oh dear mate do you have to resort to this ? :D

first of all in my previous post i said i was no science genius- i am not pretending to be one
either- i didnt put a commer in (or do you mean an apostrophe??) but what has that got to do with anything? you use numbers instead of words!

yes new galaxies have been found but it is impossible to visit them hence me correcting you when you said space exploration could be used to 'search for new galaxies'. i expect this 'new galaxy' was found using satellite equipment and not human space travel!

'I'll just leave a 'super-being' like yourself on your way though now'

is this because you have run out of any valid points?

just admit it mate space travel has acheived nothing of importance also illustrated by da cyborg

Gwil Da Skank Of TA

05-02-2001, 23:52

Ha ha ha ha -

MY GOD YOU'RE A GENIUS! CAN'T EVEN PUT A COMMER IN YOU'RE!

A) It is an apostrophe not a 'commer', used to replace a letter in an abbreviated word - you are = you're.

B) A 'commer' - What is this 'commer' of which you speak so fondly? I use an alternative called a comma, you may have heard of it. Then again, probably not as you're thick as sweet.

:|

Karen

06-02-2001, 00:02

Originally posted by Y2D
Support? How the hell is that support? SHE agrees with ME saying that space exploration is important. And you said nothing of adressing problems on this planet anywhere. So, I'd say yer buggered.

Sorry Y2D but I happen to agree with Travis, the lol@Travis thing was about his sarcastic wit at the booze thing. Maybe we're just two simpletons with the same sense of humour.

There was a few points you made that I didn't agree with but couldn't be bothered getting in to. One of them was about the importance of tracking incoming meteors etc. I personally I can't see the point in that because if a meteors gonna hit, it's gonna hit and theres not a lot we can do about it. There was more but most of the points have already been covered.
The point I was trying to make earlier is that I believe space exploration to be important, not that it's done much good so far but because we don't really know what's out there. Though in saying that, I believe that the money spent on space exploration would be better spent on earth exploration. I think that scientists should be more focused on problems such as global warming and polution. They are problems that need greater attention.