View Full Version : Runwaying totaly banned? - Im a tad pissed off
Mini Me33
27-01-2001, 14:05
:angry: Well in FFS it seems its been totaly baned by a change to the CoC :angry:
:angry: There is an admin in there giving three warnings then kicking runwayers, im not talking rammers here im talking normal run of the mill runwayers. :angry:
HotGalaxy3000
27-01-2001, 14:07
I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH RUNWAYING, BUT TOTALLY BANNED!?! :angry:
They banned runwaying??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Richmond
27-01-2001, 14:12
AFter checking again on airattack.co.uk the coc is the same as it was before i 'think'.
Might be admins taking it to far again, but i'm not going to say anything till i here all the facts like a good boy that I am:)
Oh and Hotgalaxy 3000 or whatever i totally diagree with caps.:)
TheDodger
27-01-2001, 14:21
i rekon runwaying is cool..
...in teams :homer:
HotGalaxy3000
27-01-2001, 14:22
yea me too really, - thought it would go with the Flame effect. :E
Runwaying? Totally banned?
Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
/me starts dancing around the room to 'Rip This Joins' by The Rolling Stones, grinning like an idiot.
However, I think that the way it stands at the moment is 'at the admin's discretion'. This means that if, say, someone breaks off from a dogfight and makes a break for the runway and their opponent gets them after wheels down (a practice I don't indulge in but which is really perfectly acceptable) then they won't necessarily get banned. I think we're relying on the admins to only ban when it's necessary, and that this is more targeted at people who hang around the runways and just... runway. You know the kind - they don't dogfight but just fly around and swoop down on people who are landing or taking off. Now that deserves a banning.
A matter that is of concern to me... What do you do if someone else uses the same connection as you and isn't quite so... well... adhering to the CoC. There's someone who occasionally plays AA through my connection, and he's very much a rookie, and generally plays in the rookie arena. The staple diet of many pilots in there is screaming in at ten feet, trying to blow someone up on the runway, and then crashing in to them. Which isn't such a problem in rookies, 'cause they're newbies - they're not supposed to know much better, but...
He's been coming into FFA a lot recently. And I get this horrible feeling he's gonna get banned and I'm gonna be stuck. Any suggestions aside from beating him with a stick until he stops?
[TSQN] Fu11
27-01-2001, 14:55
that'll explain why i got an disgruntled hmph from someone last night then... followed him down and shot him when he landed, not a chance i'm letting my kill get away teehee..
hmph.
ThePants999
27-01-2001, 15:02
Don't you lot read Rocky's newsletters? :D
HotGalaxy3000
27-01-2001, 15:08
er..sure!! :cheese:
[TSQN] Fu11
27-01-2001, 15:09
Originally posted by ThePants999
Don't you lot read Rocky's newsletters? :D
who?
:cheese:
Mini Me33
27-01-2001, 16:03
:angry: (this is the first time i've felt the need to flame, im gunna make the most of it :cheese: )
[TSQN] Fu11
27-01-2001, 16:04
:laugh:
:angry:
:P
HotGalaxy3000
27-01-2001, 16:16
hehe.. :p
:smurf: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: <--- (Evil smurf using his heat ray).
Luke Warmwater
27-01-2001, 18:14
Richmond (and everyone who is telling febs when they said they read the newsletter)....
The CoC has been amended. Check out the new paragraph on the end of sections 4 and 5.
And WHERE have you lot been.....???
:)
Richmond
27-01-2001, 18:20
I unsubcribed from the news letter since Rocky took over as CC, I regard him as a mail box spammer:P
Anywho's me resigns up to newsletter.
There could have been a an announcement on the forums for non subscribers, oh well.
Me feels silly:/ (as usual:))
HotGalaxy3000
27-01-2001, 18:38
I still get it!! I skim read it and take note at all the important parts, rocky will probably go "ITS ALL IMPORTANT!!"
hehe, :stare:
334th Lenagh
27-01-2001, 18:45
What a totally daft thing to try and enforce lol.
G luck with it.
FlyinBrick
27-01-2001, 18:54
The killing of pilots parked stationary on the runway is deemed as poor sportsmanship and is likely to cause offence. Pilots seen repeatedly "runwaying" parked aircraft may be the subject of admin action.
So, if it's moving, it burns!
The killing of pilots parked stationary on the runway is deemed as poor sportsmanship and is likely to cause offence. Pilots seen repeatedly "runwaying" parked aircraft may be the subject of admin action.
Thats what was incerted into the CoC in an attempt to keep all parties happy, doesn't say total ban to me just if you do it alot watch out you may be admined.
well thats s00pid, cos u cant kill a stationary plane on the runway without ramming it. unless u do the 109 trick thingy, and not many newbies, let alone vets know how to do that. and as ramming is already banned...
[Edited by Marg on 27-01-2001 at 06:03 PM]
Originally posted by Marg
well thats s00pid, cos u cant kill a stationary plane on the runway without ramming it. unless u do the 109 trick thingy, and not many newbies, let alone vets know how to do that. and as ramming is already banned...
[Edited by Marg on 27-01-2001 at 06:03 PM]
Not true Marg, I've seen it done numerous times in a spit over the last few months, and by buses.
Thats wot I thought Marg, its nigh on impossible to kill a stationary plane
slain> it can be done by other planes, when the target plane is a yak or hurri. but in my experience, and i used to be able to do it back when runwaying wasnt even an issue, only the 109 can kill *almost* anyplane on the runway. i dont think it can kill the bus.
the only other explanation i can see is that ppl have been hacking the game to get big guns heh.
ThePants999
27-01-2001, 19:27
Hurris can do it.
Flame - it IS all important. :)
Mini Me33
27-01-2001, 19:32
the admin earlyer was saying "DO NOT ATTACK ANY PLANES ON THE RUNWAY OR YOU WILL BE KICKED"
Marg> I've had it done to me loads of times by a spit while being in a spit. Daft as this sounds, its only been since I've been flying in the WP3 servers.
Mini Me33
27-01-2001, 19:40
the admin earlyer was saying "DO NOT ATTACK ANY PLANES ON THE RUNWAY OR YOU WILL BE KICKED"
Marvellous! What admin was that?
I'm accepting runwayers when I play now - I don't like it but it happens. However, one guy bugged me in FFA last night. I let him land as he was trailing smoke and then landed myself. He did a 180 on the runway and started to accelerate towards me as I started to taxi - he then started firing and destroyed me within about 200 ft (whilst we were both on the ground). To say that I was annoyed that my sportsmanship let to getting runwayed by the guy is an understatement but I let it pass. However the next runwayer I got my revenge on - been so long since I rammed someone that I almost messed it up. Not something I usually do - 2 wrongs don't make a right etc.. but it sure felt good.
I don't think runwaying in teams is as bad because you have the support of your team mates to back you up. Though saying that I seldom if ever, make an attempt to shoot planes taking off, but if one I've been chasing tries to land I will shoot it... which I think is fair. In FFA if it touches down its wheels I stop but in teams you have other pilots to help you - and if they can't help you land then that's your problem.
(Did I manage to make this post not sound like a rant?)
I tell you what, why don't you guys tell me what you want the CoC to say then? And what's the betting there are dozens of different viewpoints?
No matter what we do, there is always going to be someone who comes on here and starts shouting the odds or making sarky comments about the purpose of the rule/decision etc. Never going to please everyone all the time I know, but it does get frustrating.
In fact, I set the community a challenge. If everyone (or the vast majority) can agree on one set wording relating to runwaying, I'll agree to insert it in the CoC. I'm sure there will be a few sarcastic responses, as usual, but I just wonder for a second if people really do care enough about this issue to find a suitable compromise between you? Go on, make my day (punks).
Over to you.
Do the vast majority of players - or at least a number of them actually bother to check out the AA club website and CoC anyway? For the first few weeks, no doubt a lot of them just download the game and play it without looking for rules and stuff. Would help it the CoC was in your face from the moment you downloaded air attack though. And Rocky you're doing a great job honestly, we all salute you! (I expect the cheque to be in the post by the time I come back)
Similar thing happened to me today. I let some guy, trailing white smoke, go after he got his wheels down after a dogfight, and he started firing at me from the runway.
Jerks.
ThePants999
27-01-2001, 20:53
After seeing a runwayer dealt with today, I am inclined to say that the CoC gives admins enough leeway to deal with persistent runwayers whether you put the word "stationary" in the definition of runwaying or not.
However, just to be pedantic, I would change:
"The killing of pilots parked stationary on the runway is deemed as poor sportsmanship and is likely to cause offence. Pilots seen repeatedly "runwaying" parked aircraft may be the subject of admin action."
to...
"The killing of pilots on the runway is deemed as poor sportsmanship and is likely to cause offence. Pilots seen repeatedly "runwaying" landed aircraft may be the subject of admin action."
well other than rules 1, 2 and 3 i think the only line there sould be is......
"You play this for enjoyment so fekin enjoy it and don't get so stressed coz someone happened to do something you may or may now agree with"
Fallout - the point you raised has been raised many times before and I agree with you 100%. I have been asking for this to be done for ages and got nowhere. The original idea was for a splash screen to occur, like in CS, to advise people of the CoC and that it needs to be adhered to. Unfortunately, despite mine and Mac's best efforts, we got nowhere due to it needing a rather large WP3 change.
However, I have asked that the wording on the AA login area of the WP3 screen is changed to show a link to the CoC and that it has to be adhered to. Better than nowt. TK has this, he is very busy, but has promised me he will get this done asap. <looks at watch and taps foot>
Contrary to popular belief, there is a lot of work (and effort) going on in the background although much of it does end up with a bloodtained forehead from the brick wall it gets banged on sometimes. ;)
I For one totally agree with the CoC its bad pratice to follow a plane in and runway.
Ratios is all that matter to some though.
My view is :You proved ya point,the guys had enough he's beaton so let him land.
If he did piss you off that much then yea take him out after hes back treading sky ok.
But I do admit sometimes in the heat of the fight you do sometimes follow through.
Although These occasions are rare , come to think of it so is killing anyone nowadays lol
too many germans hehehehe
[Edited by SOOTY on 27-01-2001 at 08:23 PM]
Mini Me33
27-01-2001, 23:20
:angry:
sorry had to...... last one i promice
:imu:
But if that plane is just landing because you hurt them a bit and they panic and try to land - then they could just drop the gears at anytime near the runway and use it as an excuse not to fight. Like I said about in teams, when someone is legging it to the landing strip just because they don't fancy getting stuck in - perhaps because they're outnumbered then they should have been more careful. It's not such a big deal imho in teams than FFA, teams is always going to be a bit more 'dirty' which is why you have to try and avoid being in situations where the s*** has hit the fan. That's why your team mates are there after all - to take the bullets whilst you 'carefully get the one final hit'. Right that's my 10 pence worth. Have fun.
'Bat*21'
27-01-2001, 23:59
You can kill ANY plane in a BUS, the target plane is landed you land also, run over to it and park, park close enough and because the bus' nose is fairly low you can kill them. Ages ago I was playing a runway gnome in one and EVERY plane that landed on the same runway as me i killed them, got 3 stars off it :D
Eric The King
28-01-2001, 00:16
Sorry but am i completely missing the point here ...
some may say yes again but.....here goes
This is a game yeh.....a game of war....now there i am in me little spit chasing the enemy gerry back to base in his smoking 109 when he drops his wheels to try and land, so what do i do for King and Country ?
erm let him go so he can repair and come back and get me later.....NO !!!! i kill the bar steward.
If people really want to stop planes going near the runways why cant the AA guns be changed to defend the bases better or maybe just more AA guns that shoot lower ?
Mini Me33
28-01-2001, 00:23
Or get rid of the runways in FFA?
Ivan Kozhedub
28-01-2001, 01:17
Originally posted by Rocky
In fact, I set the community a challenge. If everyone (or the vast majority) can agree on one set wording relating to runwaying, I'll agree to insert it in the CoC. I'm sure there will be a few sarcastic responses, as usual, but I just wonder for a second if people really do care enough about this issue to find a suitable compromise between you? Go on, make my day (punks).
Over to you.
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if everone runways everyone we all no where we stand,no need for bans or arguments,i get rammed/runwayed quite often and never lose my rag,,,there is no need,,it's just a game we all playing...
OR! turn off planes degrade with performance in FFA. that way there is never any need to land.
probably been suggested before, but it makes so much sense
But then the Yak would suddenly be 10 times more dangerous as you even though you're blasting at it, it'll still out turn you at 98%. Doesn't make sense. Be nice for a trial run though.
the only people who live long enough in FFA for it to make a big difference to are the people who stay at alt.
it would make no difference to the furballers.
sorry if my remarks were sarcastic, but they always are arent they :E
anyway, imho whatever you do, there should be no ambiguity to the "phrase". no interpritation needed, what you see is what you get. "No killing planes once their wheels are on the runway." would be one example. dont try and give some sort of 3 warnings and ure out, cos then youre in the position of trying to figure out how many times etc. Interpritation should be easy for admins and players. if there's no thinking required, then most ppl will have the same idea of what the rule means. and less avenue for complaints over differing standards.
Ivan Kozhedub
28-01-2001, 13:53
can you repeat that in Russian please?
I think it's time to move on to another game when you get so sick of the newer players actions you try and mould the game into your own private safe heaven.
Far be it from me to suggest the game might be killed good intentions, but it's possibility to consider.
Good point BJ, the CoC came about because people wanted it but has it not led to more problems in the long run bacause if you put in a set of rules you generate a whole set of new problems and end up going round and round in circles. However I think the general rules (1,2 and 3) are spot on just ones that pertain to how people play that cause the problems as you will never have a set of rules that will keep people happy all the time. Some people ever use the rules to bait people into flying of the handle while others use the rules to geat newbies over the head with and end up ranting at them when most of the time they are unaware that they've even done something wrong.
Hmmmmm runwaying taken out... it has its good points i guess, but aa just doesnt feel the same no more too many rules. Lets quit b*tching eh? and get on with it.
Missfits
28-01-2001, 16:31
Surley its a simulation of war now in war if its a enemy u kill it!! So surley in a simulation it should be the same! However sayin that I dont agree with runwayin in FFA but in teams is a achivement to get into enemys base without bein shot then to kill a plane surounded with enemy planes and aa!! :smokin:
Actualy, in the 2 world wars, especially the 1st world war, it was consider very bad form to shoot an enemy that had landed. The film 'The blue max' has a scene where a pilot attracts the displasure of his fellow flyers because he shot an enemy plane that was landing.
Happy
Forgot to add..this was planes landing at neutral or friendly bases, the exception was a plane landing at an enemy(his home) base..which reflects our AA and runwaying in teams as opposed to ffa(Neutral bases).
Happy
Missfits
28-01-2001, 16:51
So whilst the army are shootin anything the airforce are fighting to gentalmanly Rules? <---Dam wars are confusing!
Mind u there was a point at christmas where England+Germany played football while war was on!<----also v confusing!!
Anyway my point was on a enemy base its ok in my mind (as long as not percistand on one piolet) but on a neutral base its not aceptiable!
:smokin:
Valium anyone? <stress>
Right... this is the last time I'm ever, ever gonna do this, OK? Please don't hurt me... This is just for the benefit of those who made the 'If it was war...' argument.
OK - you're wrong. This isn't a simulation of war. The planes don't handle like real planes, real runways aren't outlined in green, yellow, purple and red and you wouldn't get US planes shooting at GB planes. It's a game. In a war, the sides are fighting to win by whatever means it takes - in this, we're 'fighting' to have fun - to entertain ourselves. And the entertainment in the game is supposed to come from trying to dogfight with opponents and so forth. Pressing the space bar/joystick trigger button whilst aiming your aircraft at another one that can't do anything about it (i.e. stationary or wheels down) doesn't really seem... pointful, does it? I mean - just firing at a near-stationary object to watch it go 'bang'. No skill involved, and it doesn't really accomplish much. Unless, of course, the one thing you care about in AA is winning. Which is kinda sad. There's just... no point really, is there?
Again, sorry for having to say all that 'cause I know it pisses everyone off (with good cause). That was just for those who said 'If it was a war then...' thing.
FlyinBrick
29-01-2001, 02:17
If it is a "war" thing then...beware of that letter bomb I just sent to your house for shooting me down last night!
Stupid?
Yeah.....you're right! Just get on with it and STFU!
[616]Gibbs
29-01-2001, 03:06
Quite right Sooty! To aim for the ground, and miss, is the art of flying. How to miss? Have your attention broken from the onrushing ground, by distraction. A falling bowl of petunias, at exactly the right moment seems to work.
Long live the Hitchhikers Guide.
I for one never runway, much less ram. If I can't bring down the smoker, who's broken off he engagement and making a run for it, before I get within AA range, then I've cocked up, and he deserves to land for getting his bit right. I will usually acknowledge them also. There are a number of pilots who can testify to this.
During the Battle of Britain there were instances of chivalry between the combatants. Damaged aircraft on both sides were sometimes escorted to safety by their enemies, rather than finished off. Parachute shooting was still rare. Pilots would fly alongside, wave at, then fly away from damaged , or out of ammo, enemies.A pilot downed in the drink were sometimes circled by their victor until he could see he would be rescued. Pilots sometimes landed to help a wounded victim that had force landed. And so on.
I'm not saying this happened a lot, but it did happen. If a little more of that spirit could be injected into the game, runwaying wouldn't be the issue that it is.
Like the above case, I've also been shot from the runway by someone I've just let land. Does make your blood boil. I just make a point of targeting them if I see them in the air.
Incidentally, I also let people take off. Not much skill in downing someone stuck to the deck doing 100mph.
Others can do what they like, each to their own, but I will contine to fly the way I fly (badly) and enjoy myself.
JESUS, how many more times are we going to cover this.
THE CoC - Take out any and all rules with reference to runwaying. - problem solved.
FFS people, if you get runwayed, get up in the skies and get some revenge. Especially in FFA, the person that runywayed you is gonna be low and slow - easy meat, or will the admins kick you for taking the easy kill?
Bottom line - QUIT BLOODY WINGING AND PLAY THE DAMN GAME.
chill m8y, I'd love it if people did but for some reason theres people out there that take being runwayed as some sort of personal insult.........go figure
WOOOHOOOO, someone actually read and understood!
Right now for the rest of ya!
Originally posted by stace01
Bottom line - QUIT BLOODY WINGING AND PLAY THE DAMN GAME.
Well said m8 :)
Mac, anychance of an 'anything goes team arena'? visble from the front screen with no passwords needed?
Its getting that way that, I'm gonna have to read the CoC and phone my Solicitor before I shoot any bugger down!
DB
If it moves, BURN IT!
:E
Nuff said really.
[TSQN]RedKite
29-01-2001, 14:13
^^^^^^^^^Same as Stace, burn any plane that's in the air :D
Ive asked for it before, and i'll do it agin, keep youre dumb CoC, keep everything as it is, but add an "outlaw" arena where there are no rules, no admins, no winging, and no sodding CoC. Where those of us, who can get runwayed 18 times in a row ( Without bursting into tears, or ranting on the NB), then take off and kill the guy doing it, can get on and play the damn game!
This is in no way intended to offend anyone, i beleive the admins are doing an excellent job, and they are suffering more than most from a set of badly written and lame rules.
( And it'd be nice of the arena had limited ammo fuel and real physics, but thats just my view ;o)
And above all, stop damn winging!
[TSQN]Kipp, Anti-CoC, Anti-Winging, Your damn Anti!
I've already stated that I am personally against an "outlaws" arena as where do you draw the line? Hacked planes allowed? Maybe some gratuitous swearing, offensive pilot names as well?
If it's just so runwaying can be allowed, then of course, we could just "legalise" it, but still retain ramming as being against the CoC?
Like I said before, if everyone can agree, I'll write it in or delete whatever reference there is from the CoC.
I'm personally not too bothered anymore, if you want runwaying legalised, I'll do it. But, as ever, it seems you will not agree as there is a huge gulf between the two camps. Indeed, unless I'm mistaken, more people want runwaying made illegal than legal?
It's still up to you - either all agree on a wording (or lack of) or it stays as it is.
Well perhaps youre the person who'd in a position to set up a vote then rocky? One vote per registered member on the AA webby? Im sure sonic could not summit up in a matter of seconds....
But i cant see it working that way, cause if the vote is to ban runwaying there is still gonna dodgy ground on what runwaying is, and how to enforce it...
I still cant think of a better way of solving it than two arena's.
If swearing is a problem then gag the person doing it, if offensive tags are a problem, turn the tags off, if hacked planes are a problem.... hmmmmm im working on that ;o)
The last vote I did ended up in mass arguments and people trying to procure votes for a particular side by emotional outbursts in this NB...it degenerated into anarchy. And that was just the LeMans take off in matches ffs! rofl.
I dread to think what a vote on the legalisation of runwaying would be like, probably be death threats and the police involved. ;)
I feel quite sorry for the admins(etc) and the job they have to do.
SO many people wanted something in the COC about runwaying, now its in there , admins are getting stick about it!.
Bit like the government, no matter what they do, some people are just not gonna like it.
Anyway..runwaying a moving plane is not illegal yet....continually shooting and ramming stationary planes is though.
I think thats a fair rule.
(Why bother with actually dogfighting to gain rank, when you can just ram planes endless times).
Happy
ROFL in that case, its gonna be next to impossible to reach a decision that everyones agreed on.... so two arena's nudge-nudge, wink ;o)
ThePants999
29-01-2001, 15:31
The CoC is acceptable as it stands due to the leeway admins have in interpreting it - a job which, I might add, they do excellently.
For all those of you who say "shut up and get on with it" - we've heard it all before, and we're not going to. Some of us really don't like being runwayed, and will complain if ever and whenever it happens.
Leave the CoC, leave the admins to get on with their job and let's continue to play - minus runwaying.
Now you see... i completrley disagree with every point youve made, except the fact that the admins are doing a good job, which they are, so again... two arenas one for you lot, one for us lot.... tada problem solved, thankyou very much, mind your arse on the way out
[TSQN]Kipp
[Edited by kipp on 29-01-2001 at 02:42 PM]
tada, problem not solved. Two arenas would just cause confusion for all new players. The acceptable behaviour from the whining "I must be allowed to shoot whoever I like and I hate rules" arena would spill over into the whining "I mustn't be runwayed, ever!" arena leading to even more arguments.
The problem with this game is too many primadonnas, we've got them on both sides of the debate, this debate and any other damned mass debate.
How about this.
Ill organise 2 games of football.
Kip..you can take your team and whoever wants to play you.
no rules..in fact...you can pick up the ball if you like and just carry it over the goalline, no referees or linesmen, just the players..in fact...why have a goal at all?..You could all just charge about the field for 90 mins
kicking the ball, each other...carrying the ball...run off with it..have a smoke..whatever.
The other game will be played according to the FA rules.
Now which one will seem more like a game of football?.
(LOL..come to think of it...the first one is more like the games I see on TV these days ;)
Seriously tho..My point is that a game has to have rules or else there IS no game.
Happy
Like I say, when a game upsets you that much, then on some level you must be getting sick of it.
Move on, and rediscover what it was like to be a newbie and actually enjoy playing with no worries.
Sonic came up with the football analogy on IRC my answer was this "The game engine itself akin to the FA rules, already instigated, we dont need more of them, the CoC is akin to demanding that all the players have the same haircut" ( Or mullet as Sonic put it ;o)
"Analogywar 3 the showdown"
Kipp
Naw..I love the game. Just trying to get some perspective thats all. ;)
It occured to me also, that most games have 'gentlemens' agreements, that are not in the rules. Like in football, if someone is down, injured, the ball is kicked out of play, and on the throw it, its thrown to the opponents. No rule about this, just a gentlemens agreement. Same in cricket and bowling underarm, or 'showing the ball' if the nonstriking batsman is out of his crease when the bowler comes up to bowl.
Im just discussing things here..like what ya do on a NB ;).
Happy
There used to be another arean just for members, but it never got used so creating a 'anything goes' arena shouldnt be too difficult??
It could still be policed by admins and we wouldnt want hacked planes.
Think about it, could make life a bit simpler for you Admins?
1 arena for the Girls and one for the Men
FFA arena with NO runways.
Problem solved ;)
Happy
Two arenas doesn't solve anything and long term will make the problems worse. I'm not keen on an "anything goes" environment and to be honest, how fair is it on admins who will probably get called in every five minutes (another arena to deal with) because Pilot name "Motherfluffer" is playing in an "anything goes environment" but offends one person because he recently lost his mother recently? How about constant escaping - someones going to get fed up eventually. How about someone spamming comms with offensive drivel, so you gag him, so he returns again as another pilot to carry it on? "Call an admin!!"
You cannot sponsor bad behaviour - ever. As Mebe rightly points out, it will inevitably spill over into the rules regulated arena anyway.
It isn't going to happen - sorry.
If you can't all agree, then the rules stand as they are. If you don't like playing AA within these rules (which tbh is quite sad), then don't play it. Go play Kingpin or somat.
:E
And that was a stuffy goal you got on Sat as well :tongue:
oh i give up, youre obviously convinced there will be enuff ******s playing to make foul language a big enuff problem, and i can only take your word for it as i take it you speak from experience.
However we could try it and see, rather than guessing what the outcome will be...
So basically this will now just go on as per usualy runway, winge, runway winge etc... ad finitum, as you know where never all gonna agree.
One small question if we all have to agree to get the CoC changed, how come it was recently modified, in a way that has made admins clamp down on runwaying? I dont remeber agreeing to that....
and "outlaws" arenawouldn't solve any problems as you'd still be bound by the wp terms and conditions (see below)
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The section in italics is pretty much covered by rules 1,2 and 3 of the CoC so if you play on wp you're bound by them. I think we all agree that persistant and deliberate ramming (cashing into a plane on the deck) is a pain in the arse and should remain an actionable offense. So it all boils down to the runwaying thing (YET AGAIN) and I think most people know my view on it (if it's moving etc etc) but we have the impossable task of trying to keep everyone happy and that mean not just the people with the loudest voice.
Sigh... Some people have far too much time to moan
Can people just learn to take whats been said/done and play the game...
At the end of the day, if someone runways me, ill runway them back, but then again if they runway me and fly off then i will get them at least twice before i carry on with my game to make sure they dont go doing it to me again.
Fight Fire with fire!
Luke Warmwater
29-01-2001, 19:14
I've watched this thread drivel onto its 3rd page now. I did post earlier, but kept it fairly light...
However, I want to clear a few things up.
1) I was in the arena, and could possibly have been the admin making those comments...but certainly not as they have been quoted here. If it was me, I pointed out that the CoC had been amended re runwaying, and that now admin action could be taken. I did NOT say that anyone runwaying would be banned. If you were indeed quoting me, then bloody get it right, rather than twisting / misquoting to make a point! The thread may be started by someone who was a "tad pissed off"...well I certainly was when I read some of the "quotes".
2) As I see it, the CoC wording does not change things much, other than try and make it clear that runwaying may be seen as unsporting as disruptive, and may be actioned under section 3 of he CoC, which as Mac pointed out, is pretty much covered by WP's terms and conditions anyway, so you're not going to get rid of it.
3) I am all for debate on the issue on these NB's. Despite my shy and retiring nature, I love debates (no, really I do!!;)). However, over the last 2 weeks, I have got increasingly annoyed with debates in the wrong place; that is, in the arena. As an admin, I am not prepared to enter debates about this in game. If you feel that the CoC is wrong, put your point of view forward by all means, but do not expect me (or I would guess any other admin) to get involved in a discussion in an arena with 50+ planes, when you all you want to do is say "Admin, runwaying should/shouldn't be allowed!!" etc etc. Its distracting, its annoying and its disruptive, especially when the people who are doing the moaning try and drag others into the argument. I've often felt tempted to class it as disruptive behaviour under section 3 of the CoC, and I can imagine what fun that would cause on the NB (you wanna jump in here Rocky? ;))
I personally have pretty much the same view as Mac...runwaying, spawnkilling etc...its all a label that people use because they can't take getting killed. Put up with it and stop whining!!! However, if the CoC says its not allowed, then as an admin, I will uphold the CoC. If and when the CoC is amended again, I will follow it, regardless of whether I think it is correct. I suggest you all do the same; but PLEASE, keep the debate out of the game, and resolve it elsewhere (ie here).
4) To those of you whining about all this, on either side of the debate...if the game is so bad with the rules / lack of them...then why do you play it? If you like the game, play it, if you don't, don't!!
I won't be voting in any vote. I really can't get that bothered about it. Just let me know what's decided, and I will admin accordingly, but don't moan about it in the arenas when I do.
This whole Runwaying thing is a nightmare. It's so easy to see both sides of the arguement and siding with either has it's pros and cons. Repeated runwaying and bad sportmanship I don't like but then some people who think they are sherrifs of the arena in the absense of admins and shout about the slightest things. Some people already have quick messages stored for teamkilling, runwaying, swearing etc, and see fit to fill the entire screen up with messages. I don't know how many admins there are, but there are certainly a load of wannabes who shout about everything and although good in their intentions, are nearly as annoying as the perpetrators of the 'crimes' in the first place.
Anyway with this runwaying thing and complaining about getting shot when trying to land. The obvious thing is to not land if you're being attacked. It doesn't make sense whatsoever to make yourself vulnerable when already hurt. My feeling is you should only land if you consider you will make it. Trying to land whilst getting shot is simply a way (especially with the new rules) to chicken out of a fair and just combat. Quite a few people are trying to land at any opportunity and from any angle if it means not dying. Then if you shoot them and they are starting to land they complain.
And in teams, when you have AA and team mate support, there is little reason to land during a fight. Circle around the AA to survive if you can but landing when there is opportunity to survive is probably as unsporting or more so than the chaser shooting you as you attempt to land. After all this is combat, it is war, so don't expect an easy ride from an attacker if you decide you've had enough and try to land. However, I do think that shooting at a plane taxying on the runway and/or taking off is lame, but then again you should have more sense than to take off with enemies in range. After all, if you wait long enough, if the AA doesn't get the enemy, boredom will.
Ivan Kozhedub
30-01-2001, 01:34
rocky,you last post doesn't make sense...
upsetting someone who's mother has died
spamming comms
pressing esc, these all belong in the same catogory as swearing and abuse and cheating to me,i really don't want pests like this in the game and i think i can speak for almost everyone there...
but runwaying? it should'nt even be said in the same sentence as any of those,
in an earlier post i sugessted everyone runways to everyone at any opportunity,it might take a bit of getting used to but like i said,we all know where we stand,i treat everyone as a runwayer anyway and never take chances when i land.
but you can't treat a runwayer the same you would treat a foul mouth or a cheat,i don't think you should anyway...
[Edited by Ivan Kozhedub on 30-01-2001 at 12:35 AM]
Ivan Kozhedub
30-01-2001, 01:42
Originally posted by Coog
Sigh... Some people have far too much time to moan
Can people just learn to take whats been said/done and play the game...
At the end of the day, if someone runways me, ill runway them back, but then again if they runway me and fly off then i will get them at least twice before i carry on with my game to make sure they dont go doing it to me again.
Fight Fire with fire!
coog,you are a breath of fresh air
paulfitzs
30-01-2001, 10:08
If you are already hitting me and I try to land I expect you to try and finish me off even if I'm rolling on the ground. This is "hot pursuit" and in my mind wholly justified, I will certainly press the attack as long as target is moving, I will not moan if you kill me like this. If a player is gallant enough to let me live though, I'll thank him and return the favour as long as I remember the event.
Shooting up someone on the deck if you haven't already damaged them, shooting a plane manoeuvring on the ground or starting its take off run are all "bad form". I don't do these but I know some do though and take this into account when I click on "FLY".
How may times has someone said "runwayer" you look at replay and he was ALT 15ft? I've had people shoot me to 98% then let me land only to be killed by a runway hanger, c'est la vie.
Could someone define 'persistantly' for me pls?
Hmmm, howmany "oldtimers" here? I mean back in the days of pay to play, b4 we got all this free online time.....Not that many names that i recognise in here now, most of you are "newbies".
Before we started getting this huge influx of "newbies" did we EVER have a CoC? Did we ever have any of the sh!t that goes on now?
Not sure what i`m trying to say here other than the fact its not the rules that make the game but the mentality of the players!
The people who post on here a lot are not interested in the game as much as the politics that go with it (if you were that interested you would be playing and not posting IMHO).
Now personally i would like to see the back of the CoC and get back to the old way of playing the game, i.e shooting people down, not boring them so they fall asleep and crash.
If someone p!sses you off - SHOOT THEM DOWN
If someone runways you - SHOOT THEM DOWN
If someone has a abusive tag - SHOOT THEM DOWN
If someone swears at you - SHOOT THEM DOWN
If someone teamkills you (change sides then) - SHOOT THEM
If someone thinks your dog is attractive - SHOOT THEM DOWN
I think by now you should get the hint. ^ that is the "old" way of playing the game, teamkillers, runwayers - they did not stick around long when a whole arena was targetting them!
zhardoum
30-01-2001, 11:39
well said stace..
however, we do I feel need some sort of rules, other wise when squads form up and fight, they have no idea of how to play as a team, if ffa annd normal teams is too wild, then the quality of recruits that the teams get will also be hit.
depends on what you play the game for, all out killing, or flying with mates and trying to play in an organised style.
[Edited by zhardoum on 30-01-2001 at 10:40 AM]
Stace, I...
I...
really fancy your dog.
COBRA/Highlander
30-01-2001, 11:39
This bellow I posted on another thread but thaught it also should be on this one.
Well its all been said before, we have to go over this from time to time, MAC I have no keeper I only come out when there is something that needs
to be said and a pilot to be killed hehehehe.
YES we all have killed pilots that have run away from the fight and made it to the runway.
YES we all have runaway from a better pilot and hoped we get to the runway before he or she kills us.
YES we all have had a STAR and made it to the runway stooped and then been killed by another pilot CRASHING, RAMMING, or just SHOOTING as he
passed along the runway.
NO it will never change as its a GAME, no matter what you say, you ADMINS can and do BOOT the ones that break the rules, and sometimes the
ones that don't, I personally have been down this road over two years ago with my good friend MAC,GEEDEE, MUT and it really got out of hand then,
it will get out of hand again, take it from the ones that know.
To all PILOTS of this great game.
First IT'S A GAME.
Second it's supposed to be FUN.
Thirdly you're supposed to be enjoying yourself.
Fourthly if the three above don't mean anything to you then go play with your pals outside and leave the rest of us to enjoy what little enjoyment
we get out of this miserable F****D up world we live in without you spoiling it for all.
I know what your going to say why should we have it this good, well if you take just a min and read some of the other threads on the board, you will
see not only is it a GRAT GAME, its also a GREAT COMUNITY and from this comes friendship and loyalty, from this you learn respect and above all to
chill out and enjoy the little moments that you get to have FUN, so don't try to make this VIRTUAL WORLD as messed up as the real one, for once
sit down and think this could be fun if I let it, so LET IT BE ( as JOHN once said).
I am sorry lads for going on a bit but this really has got my back up.
The admin lads do there best to keep the game FUN but there not there all the time and no one really expects then to be, its up to all of us to keep
the GAME as good as it is and to piss the RUNWAYERS off by shooting them down not shouting them down, all that will do is Piss everyone else off.
The game in my opinion has got better over the years there are more DOG FIGHTS away from the runways now and it's PILOTS of this calibre that
make it a GREAT GAME, the lads & lassies that were at the IJ game on Sunday all said how they really enjoyed themselves, this is because they all
went into the game with that in mind that they were there to enjoy themselves.
I will now close this of by saying thanks to all the PILOTS that I have seen in the past and for making this one of the best games on Wireplay, I also
wish to thank some of the lads that every time I appear in the SKYS always make me feel welcome in the GAME thanks.
COBRA /Highlander /$$$
I started playing in the 'old' days. (jun 1998).
My first session I shot someone on the runway in FFA and got screamed at lots for it.
Maybe ya right....maybe we should all just accpet being runwayed, and shrug our shoulders. But thats been tried before..I remember last year Mac saying something to that effect, however..its not solved the 'problem', and the bad feeling that gets generated when it happens, is why I think the admins tried to do something about it in the COC.
I think a coc is needed, for stuff like team killing, etc..
if it wasnt there teams for eg would degenerate into anarchy, and would ruin a lot of games.
You need some rules in a game imo, or else there is no game.
(football analogy, no rules? you could pick up the ball and carry it into your opponents net..kicking anyone who got in your way..see...no football any more..its become rugby ;) )
Happy
I agree with Cobra (again): let things be.
The CoC gives admins a means to curb persistant runwaying, why not just leave it like that...
I've not seen much actual complaining that the rule is badly enforced. What I've seen is people getting all hot and bothered about a theoretical *how* the rule could or should be applied.
Why not take a chill pill, see how things go. If too many or too few people are being warned for runway-related-exploits then a *civilized* post asking for more action or less action would be the right way to go.
- If you love runwaying and you get asked to tone it down a bit then accept it with good grace, you've probably upset a few people.
- If you hate being runwayed and get runwayed from time to time dont scream for an admin or start throwing around the muck.
- Its only a mythical score on an unrealistic made up game, don't persue your perfect score to the extent of p1ssing other people off.
Everyone plays AA in different ways, whats acceptable to one person is unacceptable to another and NO amount of rule definition will ever change that. It's up to YOU to remember you dont play the game alone, you play it WITH people. A little tolerance, an easy going attitude and some consideration would do a hell of a lot more than any rule.
In other words its up to you to play the game like nice children :), admins can and will only deal with the worst excesses of anything.
FlyinBrick
30-01-2001, 12:29
WP3 went down early yesterday evening, I went on the 2.3 servers where I find some Demonz flags and some Tigers players etc. mainly "old hands".
Was one of the best 45 mins I've played on AA for years...No moaning, even the odd spawn kill was laughed about ("Jammy git" being the main phrase, followed by a big :))
Reminded me of the old days...great flying, great banter, no whining...thats what it should be like all the time.
P.S. Soz to the Demonz flag for constantly poaching :P
COBRA/Highlander
30-01-2001, 12:33
Mabe I forgot you in the last post I'm am truly sorry m8
At my time of life its hard to remember all the good PILOTS of this great GAME and again I'm sorry, its probably that we don't get to see you in the air and when I do see you your getting your ass kicked big style hehehehe.
COBRA /Highlander /$$$
Originally posted by COBRA/Highlander
when I do see you your getting your ass kicked big style hehehehe
Damn, another impersonator :E
COBRA/Highlander
30-01-2001, 12:51
Hi M8 FlyingBrick he is another that you very seldom see, because of exactly what he said I agree with him on that matter, as far as IMPOSTER there can BE ONLY ONE heheheheh Mabe heheheheheheh.
Come on IJ how about a night where only the OLD Hands as FlyingBrick puts it get together for a BASH.
You could also make it open so that the PILOTS not flying at least could see what us OLD hands are talking about and just mabe no pun m8 MaBe they will understand what were all on about.
I know IJ another job but if anyone can get it together you can M8.
COBRA /Highlander /$$$
Mantis_Snare
30-01-2001, 13:14
can i go to the old hand gameif u set it up highlander, i've been at this since may1998, on the german server, though you may not think it :) to see me in the air.
MantisSnare
Mantis_Snare
30-01-2001, 13:17
may 1999, sry. confused :)
maybe at it too long lol :)
Mantis
COBRA/Highlander
30-01-2001, 14:05
Well M8 if IJ can set it up then all will be welcome, in that they will have to satisfy IJ that the are OLD HANDS at the game but I don't see that as a problem as MAC, MABE, IJ, ROCKY, and others that I have forgotten along the way and I apologise for this but the BRAIN BOX ain't what it used to be, may be too much late night sessions with some of the BEST PILOTS on AA has taken its toll.
I am sure that others will agree if this could be set up where the only pilots that are in the air are the OLD HANDS and the ones on the ground are spectators then this would be not only a good game to be involved in but also a great game to watch.
As I said before the only one that has the expertise to set this up is the one and only IJ and if he could then I'm sure he will give it his attention.
COBRA / Highlander / $$$
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