ISDN

[Big Ben]

Just a quick Question. I'm having Home Highway installed. Once I have it do I need to phone a different number to access Wireplay Direct?

Cheers

Ben

[Icepik]

Same number matey

[Big Ben]

Cheers

Ben

[oliverpriest]

Why did you get ISDN for?

You do realise BT is flogging something which will be fazed out when ADSL and cable comes along. BT knows this by the way and will do anything to make you believe otherwise..... Dont ask me how I know this.........cause I wont tell you......

[Locutos]

Hi its me,

I am wondering where to get more info about ASDL and is it any good?

cya around

Picard

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I WILL BEAT YOU ALL IN TFC ONE DAY.
AND HOMEWORLD

[Grom]

oliver: Er. I myself got it because:

Can you give me solid information on when ADSL will be available in Leeds, whether I can get it in my area, how much it will cost, whether it will actually be any good, and how long I'll have to wait until it gets installed?

No? Thought not.

Now, you see I'd rather have lpb status for 6 months and then find out ADSL is available, than sitting on a sodding modem for 6 months, and finally finding out that ADSL might just be available for me if I wait 4 weeks for installation and pay exorbitant amounts of money to get it put in. Plus I might find I'm sharing bandwidth with 24 other people, one of whom runs an internet porn site from his bedroom all day, meaning I get 1000+ pings all day and night, meaning I need to plug in my MODEM to get an acceptable ping.

And if you're going to pretend you 'know about that', and that you have 'inside information', then you're sadly talking out of your arse.

Grom

[AGENT ORANGE(u.k)]

LOL...nice one,i`ve just ordered isdn2e for the very same reason,though i`d never thought of the porno stuff....
b,t,w, where in Leeds do ya live????

[Big Ben]

I got ISDN for similar reasons listed above. I also read the posting on lastest prices that make ADSL sound far to expensive for the time being. No cable in my area for at least 2 years so ISDN makes the most sense since BT DACS'ed my phone line.
PS if you want more info
Thank you for contacting the ADSL Helpdesk, I have enclosed the latest
information regarding our service, however if you have more specific
questions please do not hesitate to email us at Broadband.enqiries@bt.com.

Our services will be available to Service Providers and Corporates from up
to 400 exchanges by March 2000 (London, Manchester, Birmingham, Cambridge,
Cardiff, Coventry, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle, Belfast, Leeds and Milton
Keynes will be amongst the earliest to benefit). The 400 exchanges cover
about 6 million (26%) UK homes. Subsequent network rollout will depend on
commercial considerations, including the levels of demand experienced in
these early phases.

We explored a number of criteria to establish which exchanges should be
provisioned for ADSL first. These included demand for bandwidth and where
the early adopters of these services are most likely to be located. If
demand is strong enough, and given a suitable regulatory regime, the
majority of UK households and businesses could be covered within three
years. We log the geographic details of enquiries such as yours and our
rollout planners use this to influence the rollout plan. At the moment, we
have only published our rollout plans up to March 2000 so cannot provide
specific information about when your local exchange will be ready for ADSL.

Our services are aimed at a wide range of service providers, other operators
and Corporates. These high-speed access services will allow Service
Providers to deliver packages of digital content combined with digital
access to their own customers. They will also allow organisations to
provide their teleworkers or satellite offices with remote access to the
corporate network.

Individuals that want to take advantage of the benefits of ADSL need to
contract with a Service Provider that provides ADSL access. We do not
currently have a list of such Service Providers, although we are in
discussions with several, including BT Interactive - BT's own Service
Provider. We expect such Service Providers to make their own announcements
shortly about their services, which exchanges these services will be
available from and the pricing for these services.


And Also
Latest ADSL News From Nildram

The BT trial of ADSL is apparently now underway. This trial was unfortunately
severely restricted to only 5,000 consumers nationwide. Wholesale pricing has
also been published, and for the basic service, which provides a 512kbps
download speed and 256kbps upload speed, with a contention ratio of 20:1 (i.e.
20 other users will be competing with you for that bandwidth), the pricing works
out as follows:

Installation: £260 + VAT
Annual Rental: £1065 + VAT

In addition to these charges, any ISP providing the service will have to pay for
a connection to BT to deliver the data inwards. At its cheapest, this will work
out at an additional £50 per annum, and at its most expensive, £745 per annum
(this all depends on volume). On top of that, we then have to deliver your data
across the Internet and make a charge for that.

You can probably see from these figures that unless BT does some drastic price
cutting, we are still a long way off from the £40/month figures that the press
like to dream about. More like £150 - £200 a month, we suspect.

Nildram fully intends to offer this service just as soon as we are able. However,
we don't expect the BT rollout to start until March 2000, and then it will be a
fairly gradual process. After all, BT don't want to stop the tills ringing from
the sound of all those dial-up call minutes that are being generated every day
until they are really forced to do so, one way or the other.

More news as and when we have it!

Nildram Ltd www.nildram.net (http://www.nildram.net)

Cheers

Ben

Ben

[oliverpriest]

Trust me mate, you will see.... :)

And no I'm not talking out of my arse, I promise you. Once the service is rolled out, I know that the price will drop dramatically and that people who purchased ISDN ( ie you )will be left with an egg on their face.

Its just a matter of time.

ISDN hasnt taken off as well as BT would have hoped for a they are happy to carry on plugging ISDN cause of people like yourself, so give yourself a big pat on the back, smile.. its kinda like betamax tapes mate....get me?

But as I said before, you will see this for yourself soon enough. I realise that you are defending your purchase and I would do the same too if I were you but I wasn't trying to **** you off, rather just inform you... if you dont wanna know/believe then fine, cool with me mate.

Oh by the way, I never speak bollocks...only sense.

Olly

Above Big ben had info on ADSL and about the trial of 5000 users, I know someone who was on it.... And put it this way matey.... IT IS RATHER GOOD FOR 60 meg downloads and the like......

im gonna wait for VSL[think its called that?],bet u dont know what that is do ya http://forums.gameplay.com/ubb/teeth.gif http://forums.gameplay.com/ubb/teeth.gif http://forums.gameplay.com/ubb/teeth.gif,apparently its like cheap adsl,can b upgraded 2 adsl,is cheaper and is only about 25% slower then adsl,of course its not out or tested yet,read its being tested early next year,i agree ISDN is a big watse of time,if u have got in in the last 3 months u really have wasted ya money in my opinion

why does milton keynes get loads of ****,i mena its a **** hole,thinks its hard cos its got loads of big name brand shops,but its just like a yank city,sort of manufactured,all looks the same if u get me :p

[oliverpriest]

A sensible man, I applaud you... I wonder if we are a dying breed?

:)

[Kanabal]

hmmm oliverpriest the words arse and talking ouf of it spring to mind..

adsl and cable can have problems if the people on the same bandwidth as you are using it a lot..

and i will have isdn till it is financily viable for me to change to cable/adsl and as i live in cornwall it is unlikely that i will be able to get either for a long time..

so till then fear my 40 ping :)

cheers

Kan

[Sweetie Pie]

How long is it before ADSL, xDSL or Cable comes over here and becomes affordable? I don't know, and I very much doubt you do, they've been 'around the corner' for a long time, and it becomes dull http://forums.gameplay.com/ubb/sleep.gif

[WPS]

Big problem with ADSL - no dial-up. Those of us who use dial-up in our work (i.e.getting at the gameplay network and servers etc.) won't be able to use ADSL - you are stuck with the service provider you get. Would you commit to a brand new ISP if they wanted to force you to a years contract, and charge you a fortune while they are at it? Without knowing their track record? Same goes for cable modems for that matter.

ISDN is the fastest domestic/proffesional hook-up available in the near future. For those of us who need acces to anything other than 'the net' then it's the best we have (apatr from uber-expensive T1 lines of course).

Actually I hadn't thought of running sites tho - ADSL would mean that everybody could run a net server - video-conferencing, server-based games etc. Five gets you ten they find some way to block people doing that tho.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Hi all

I've had an ISDN2e line fitted two week to this very day, the reason i got ISDN is bacause i live to far away from my exchange to get home highway. I asked about ADSL at bt and no one had any information, only stuff I know is from press releases which someone has been kind to post on this thread.

I live 8 mile away from Carlisle which has a population of 80,000 with another 20,000 within it's catchement area - ie not enough ppl to make it worth their while. The chances of carlisle ever getting ADSL are slim and if they do get it, it won't be in the next 2 years.

As for cable I don't think anyone has it in cumbria let alone carlisle. I read in the local paper about 6 months ago that a cable company was supposed to be doing surveys with a view to supplying cable within next 2 years, never heard anything since.

I'm only bound to a 12 month contact, after that i can please myself what i do

[This message has been edited by Cool Hand Luke (edited 29-11-1999).]

[Big Ben]

Just to add to the debate, did any 1 read the Conneted section of Thursdays Telegraph. Very interesting article on the problems of Cable Modems as found in America.Anyone in your area can see your files!!! UK cable companies say this won't be a problem. But they would wouldn'y they.

[Sweetie Pie]

Hehehehee, I would imagine thats a fairly localised problem with certain things. The main problem with cable in america is that the bandwidth has been over sold!

[Grom]

OK, maybe you're not talking out of your arse, and I'm sorry I put it like that.

However, my point still stands. No matter how much people who urge people to wait for ADSL wave their hands in the air and talk of such wonders as £30 a month fees and affordable connection charges, it really doesn't make any difference.

You see, the thing is, ISDN is available now, not 'next February' (more like next May or something for residential users), and is a proven technology. ie, I can get pings as low as 40 (not as low as some london users I know, but still pretty good), with a smooth, lag-free connection.

I also have a 'mate on the London ADSL trial', a member of my clan, [KC]Phat-Nat. I've talked to him enough to know it's good (and I've seen his pings and download speeds). I've also read all the articles I can find on the net about BT's xDSL provision, and all the news stories too. I would consider myself as informed as any consumer about what's going to be happening about the whole thing in the near future.

Yet these things make no difference. ADSL is still in the future, and I'm not prepared to wait that long. By the time ADSL comes out, I will have had at least 5 months of low ping gaming.

When ADSL comes out it will be expensive to install, it will come with a one year contract, and it will probably cost about £50 a month for a 512k connection.

5 months is a long time, and if people want to get low pings and faster downloads, ISDN is the way to go at the moment, not to wait for ADSL.

Grom

[Ricey]

Total agree with Grom here. Im getting ISDN installed next week and i know its going to be worth while. I live out in the sticks too and I dont think ASDL or cable will ever come out here http://forums.gameplay.com/ubb/cry.gif

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[Sand]

For gamers ISDN is the option to go for. Choose the right modem and configure your game correctly and u get Cable Modem speeds. The only downside to ISDN is phone calls but 0800 number services are already gaining speed.

If u are looking for D/L speeds get Cable or ADSL.

If u are looking for good stable pings get ISDN.

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[Capt Scarlet]

Does anyone know of any 0800 ISDN numbers?

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Gameplay Quality Assurance
Wireplay 3 Development

[Sand]

I know of one here (http://www.freedomi.com), hasn't gone live yet tho.

Also there is claranet but that ain't 0800, Claranet is prob the best ISP around for gaming also.

[oliverpriest]

Hello its meee again, and I see all your points totally.... Maybe its cause Im a London Man and we tend to get the best coverage first... I hope I didnt upset anyone who has ISDN.. If I did then sorry, I know how offended you lot can get...

But you have to admit that once ADSL is installed properly and its cheap, ( which is a cert long term ) it will be good......

I heard a long time ago about someone else who had an ADSL line and was testing it with BT's rollout program. Apparently he got a ping of 4!!! on a TFC server........

Olly

[Sand]

Thats bollox m8 =)

U get better pings with ISDN tehn u do with ADSL.