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CON JOB
30-01-2001, 14:42
Ok you lot...time to get off your ass's,
Get posting on the DCcomics forum to
get the producers of the "CONSTANTINE" movie from turning
John Constantine into an American for the sole
purpose of entertaining the "American" audience.

They want Nic Cage or Mel Gibson for the
part.
Why....I doubt Cage would do an English
part any justice so you know what there after...they want to turn JC into a bloody American. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I am just SICK of people changing the script
around so they can suit it for themselves
without REALLY thinking about the things that
make the story what it is.

Almost ALL the scripts written for Hellblazer
have been IN ENGLAND, Constantine IS ENGLISH,
Hellblazer was created and written BY ENGLISHMEN, Drawn by ENGLISH ARTISTS......................do you begin to pick up a theme here.

Do you think Bond would be played by an
American...GOD NO.

What the F*&$ing hell is wrong will putting
a British actor up for the part or at "least" keeping the character English.

Dont change what is a good idea...dont change WHY people like the story.
John Constantine is probably one of the few renowned media characters that are from England.....what else have we got.....Bond and thats it.
You cast him wrong and he'll just be another scumbag Columbo detective wandering the streets of New york.

They (warners) dont give a stuff about anyone else in the world and this we can change.
I doubt there is a great deal of time before the casting goes through and with the release of "Snatch" in LA, the profile of English filmmakers is quite considerably higher than usuall.

On the DC comics forum the scriptwriter himself is participating in the discussion over what the
story should be about and now its just turned into
a constant flood of posts about the "disgusting" way
Hollywood treats English story conversions.

Look at Judge Dredd
Look at Tank Girl
Look at Get Carter
Look at Red Dwarf
Look at Absolutely Fabulous
Look at Men Behaving Badly
Look at Cracker (good but in NO WAY equal to the UK version)

All monumental screw ups and dumped by the studios.

It takes all of 4 mins to register on the forum and post up your opinion.
The scriptwriter IS THERE. I've been having a little chat with him and so have others. He can show what support there is to WarnerB's for keeping at least "that" part of the character in the film. How often can you say that you get a chance to talk to one of the "MAJOR" participants within the production crew.

Dont be apathetic and go with the usuall flow of "why bother" bollox. Get on with it.....I will not let this lie.

There is a "very" large build up of posts regarding this matter, get your say in.

Post here

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum55/HTML/000218-5.html

The character may be English but hell, I wouldnt have any problems with ANYONE from the UK or Ireland playing him or even and American or Canadian or whoever playing him as long as JCs character remains English.

I have nothing against Americans (I'm half one myself, I grew up in Long Beach California)
But would you have Hugh Grant playing
Batman !!

Its just that all the American Comic conversion have always been so good because
they leave the core of the characters
in the story, look at X-Men, Batman, Superman, do you think they would be the same If they were from France, Russia, or
New Zeland. (no offence to people of those nationalitys...i just picked em at random)

If they wont make the film right in at least the fundamental part of it then why make it at all.

Why not just copy the premise and make a
totally different film out of it.

Oh...sorry...It looks like they already are.

CON JOB
31-01-2001, 12:59
Gee ......thanks for the overwhelming suport
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WeaselFierce
02-02-2001, 21:18
Sorry, mate, just got here. I agree with everything you say and have posted my thoughts on the DC Board.

Thing is, this isn't a problem related to American conversions (or *******isation) of English material, it's more a problem regarding comic to film conversions in general. I mean, look at the history - how many movies based on comic books have been made and how many of them have even the slightest resemblance to the source material? (And I'm talking setting and characterisation here not visuals).

Now ask yourself how many of those films are actually any good? Try none.

You'd have thought after all this time and all the duds they'd fired out there that MAYBE it might be a good idea to stick WITH the source material instead of changing it to be the same contrived, moralising bull**** that fills every other goddamn no-brainer film out there.

My list of watchable comic book films reads like this:- X-Men (which importantly stuck to the character concepts), Blade (not brilliant but the source material wasn't all that cop IMO) and The Crow (Brandon Lee was good but the script was pretty dire to be honest). That's it (except for the animated Batman and Superman series' maybe).

There is a wealth of great narrative concepts out there in the comics world. But what't the f#cking point of drawing from it if you're not going to keep any of the originality or uniqueness of it?

Spider Jerusalem
16-02-2001, 16:43
"Do you think Bond would be played by an
American...GOD NO."

Hate to be a Pedant, but Bond'd been played by a Scot twice, an Irishman, and an Australian. Out of 5, only one has been english (and he was rubbish).. Bad analogy...



On a more related note, Comic book adaptions hardly ever go well, usually because Hollywood thinks it knows best what audience the material should be aimed at. (as noted, The Crow and X-Men are worthy exceptions, as is Men in Black)

That's why it's especially risky to convert comics like Hellblazer, which don't sand on good solid Superhero territory,

what is it with comics, why ALWAYS damn superheroes. Watchmen and Top 10 were the last word on what Superhero fiction should be about, yet the bloated fanservice of Batman, Spidey, and X-Men persist.

I sincerely wish that other types of story got the recognition here they do in Japan (okay there are just as many superhero tales over there *cough*Toriyama*cough* but other types of story balance them out much better. I pray for the day the west will produce an equivalent to Maison Ikkoku

Oh well, a Hellblazer adaptation will either be a pale imitation, or something utterly other than the original work (exactly like the upcoming From Hell adaptation)

Izzeh
26-02-2001, 09:57
As far as I can remember Mega City 1 is meant to be in America therefore I would assume Judge Dredd is American ;)
But still, Hollywood managed to find a bunch of other stuff to **** around with, dredd doesn't take off his helmet ffs! :(

And Tank Girl is a pretty good movie apart from those Kangaroo things making it look like some disney movie, haven't read the comic though...

Spider Jerusalem
26-02-2001, 14:30
The Tank Girl comic has far more attitude than the film, it's also far more anarchic. Imagine everything in the film, but just MORE. More mental, more OTT.

The film was fun, but it wasn't nearly as mad, bad, or dangerous to know as the comic.

Izzeh
27-02-2001, 23:46
If I ignore the Kangaroos I would still consider Tank Girl to be a really good movie compared to other comic/cartoon movies but I admit it would probably be cool to have it more...everything :E

WeaselFierce
02-03-2001, 20:23
My attraction to the movie Tank Girl can be summed up as follows:-

Naomi Watts as Jet Girl - niiiiiiiiiiiiiice :naughty: