Windows apps in Linux

[William1]

i am about to d/l mandrake and i am interesting in getting windows apps working in linux (e.g word etc). i was looking through screenshots on the mandrake page and i came across these:
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/odyssey8.jpg
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/odyssey4.jpg
and it said they were running under 'Wine' so i did a bit of searching and i found their web page at http://www.codeweavers.com and sadly its for developers only :(
bummer!
but i was wondering, is there anyway to run win programmes in linux?
i also saw this screenshot http://www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/helium5.jpg which shows win 98 booting! wtf? explain! /me no understands :)
if that is booting, what happens when and if it gets into windows? can you actually run a windows OS under linux?

as you can see i am a bit new to this linux, infact, i have never used it at all, thats why i am d/l mandrake!

any help is MUCH appreciated.
thanks

[Ghost Trayn]

Oh, Will... the mod in here is going to write a tutorial on installing Mand7.2 with the latest Kernel, 4.2.x

You might want to delay your install untill then... ;)

[Edited by Ghost Trayn on 14-04-2001 at 01:40 AM]

[William1]

ok, thanks.
i am going to have to wait to finish d/l mandrake anyway :(
who is the mod in this forum anyway and do you know when he is gonna get this guide ready?
oh and another question (sorry for all these questions :) ) but for mandrake there are 2 iso's. 1st one is the essential install CD and the 2nd has extras, i was wondering however will it be worth installing and d/l the second CD?

thanks :)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

Hmmmmm

WINE ( Wine is not an emulator :P ) actually comes bundled with mandrake 7.2 and installed as default :P

so you need not worry about the developer nonsense :)
the other option is VMWare - which acts as a sandbox for another OS to sit in and run. the cheaper version only lets you run 98 / 95 inside linux though.
the more expensive version can run multiple OS's at once, including FreeBSD ( OpenBSD, bleurgh ), windows, etc.
both options are expensive im afraid :( i think 'cheap' vmware prices up at about £70 :(

have a look round :)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

about the second cd - it may not be the case of installing it straight away but its worth having as it is packed full of useful little rpms :)

i found several nice tools hidden away on there, including my latest window manager 'enlightenment'

so yeah, download it :)

also - 'the guide' I presume you mean godins guide to upgrading to 2.4? If you do, i expect hes breaking his back to finish it at this very moment :P

until then there is a thing called Roys Mandrake page which godin sent me the link which has some nice stuff on it -

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jandr/Mandrake.htm

enjoy :)

[William1]

i am comming to the end of my d/l for the install cd and i was wondering if i can just install linux and then d/l the extras CD later on then install that. or do i have to have the extra CD with me when installing?

thanks :)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

errrrr no its not vital to have it on the install process and if it does prompt you for it you can just cancel, and the install will be fine :)

[William1]

i think you misunderstood my point :)
what i meant was that if i install the install CD and its running perfectly, can i, lets say in about a week just install the extras CD (like that plus thing that comes with windows) or is it only possible to install it when i install the whole thing?

thanks :)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

Ohhhhhh I see :)

sorry about that :P

yeah it is possible to add the extras afterwards, and WINE is actually on the first cd as it happens :)

mandrake has a nice program for adding packages called RPMDrake - you simply pick the programs off the cd to install and it does all the hard stuff for you :)

so in short, it is possible to install off the second CD after the installation
im not sure about installing the whole cd at once :/
im not sure you'd want to anyway :P

if that doesnt answer your question u have permission to give me beats! :)

[Ghost Trayn]

Cool! Can I spank you too ;)

William... hang about mate, your probably best of installing Linux with the latest kernel (4.2), I don't think you can upgrade once it's installed.

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

Noooooooo Nooooooo Nooooooooooo! :)

Mandrake 7.2 does come with 2.2-17 ( or something ) as its kernel version BUT it is possible to upgrade to 2.4 as I have done it myself without causing any problems!

Quite a few people have installed 2.4 on a Mandrake system, and Godin is writing a howto on upgrading your kernel in mandrake!

:)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

so do install your mandrake 7.2, dont worry about upgrading the kernel straight away just get to know the os a bit and fiddle with the window managers

dont worry about 2.4!

:)

[Godin]

no, I wouldnt worry about upgrading the kernel straight off, it might be simple when u know what ure doing, but u have to know what ure doing first ;) take some time to get familiar, do some smaller software upgades, get used to it, then maybe start to think about it, bear in mind the kernel mandrake 7.2 comes with has some mandrake specific patches in so upgrades can slightly change the way the system functions (tho I havent noticed anything mesel thats not to say someone else wont)

[Gwil Da Skank Of TA]

jah what godin said :)

[Slime]

Back on that VMWARE thingy......just to say that we use it at work and it's very very nice :)

We use it under WINNT 4 server, but (in the space of a week) i've since installed WIN95, WIN98SE, WIN ME, WIN NT workstation and Mandrake 7.2 as guest OS's. They all run perfectly, and can be cloned just as fast as your HD will copy 500MB of data (the amount i allocate to each virtual machine). You can allocate any amount of RAM to each virtual machine (using a slide bar) and the virtual machines can see any device (floppy, CD-ROM, network) connected to the host. The only thing it doesn't do is USB.

However, if you have to test code under different OS's (and even different language variations as we do) then i thoroughly recommend looking at VMWARE (the program itself runs under WIN NT/2000 or Linux.....which prompts me to waffle about it here). It is about £230 (available from Dabs) but you can download a fully working evaluation copy for 30 days.

The supported Linux distributions (you can install as guests or hosts) is excellant and theirs a very good forum of active users willing to help out.

I haven't been so impressed since i last managed to kill someone in Tribes 2 :E (actually i've never managed to kill someone in T2 but i can imagine that i will be impressed if it ever happens...)

Cheers
Slime