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Fluffy Bunny Feet
07-02-2002, 22:03
Dod2=pants
Briggerz
07-02-2002, 22:11
the only death in this game now is death of the Deathmatching gimps.
teamplay is what its about now, and skill.
NumbNutz
07-02-2002, 22:16
Originally posted by Briggerz
the only death in this game now is death of the Deathmatching gimps.
teamplay is what its about now, and skill. Not if you cannot hit the side of a building from 5 yards it isn't!
Oh, there is an enemy player, I think I'll shoot him.
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1 clip later
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and we are both still alive looking at each other.
That's really gonna make a good game.
Briggerz
07-02-2002, 22:57
well it must be you two cos its fine for me.
alot of the problems with lag are the servers, ive just come off of a server in belgium and i had no lag and a ping constantly under 100 with a full server.
the idea is to shoot when the crosshair isnt moving all over the place :)
Fluffy Bunny Feet
07-02-2002, 23:59
Go prone as sniper, put two shots in head of prone "not moving enemy" he kills me, my ping 70 his 50.
This is totally screwed, I enjoyed Dod 1.0 from day one, but the supposed realisitic game play has basically knackered a good game.
Don't get me wrong, I got two highest scores on two games I played, but came away feeling it really was not that good, its about camping, the recoil has encouraged that more so with this "realistic" wandering sighting arrangement.
It stinks, I played for 3 hours and concluded it was not really particularly that good.
I am just pleased I only moved my 1.3 directory and did not delete it. I can foresee many sticking or reverting to1.3.
It is soo soooo soooooo bad that I might even revert back to TFC, god knows, even CS seems better. With the new patch out soon for TFC, it might seem a whole lot more attractive.
:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
NumbNutz
08-02-2002, 00:06
Originally posted by Fluffy Bunny Feet
I am just pleased I only moved my 1.3 directory and did not delete it. I can foresee many sticking or reverting to1.3.
Unfortunately, you won't be able to. As you have to authenticate via WON, they will only start allowing that with version 2.0 of the software in the same way that they stop people playing old versions of TFC.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
08-02-2002, 00:19
Damn, your right there NN.
Looks like its a game of dominoes from now on :laugh:
Briggerz
08-02-2002, 01:14
sorry to be blunt, but if you dont like it then go play summat else.
we get you dont like it so why continue playing and moaning about it on here?
as for not being able to get auth'd by won to play b1.3b, well im sure you could get round this.
im sure i saw kiwi post on tfc forums asking if anyone wanted a tfc 1016 server put up, so if it can be done with tfc im sure it could be done with dod.
ok so they have changed it..no more runnin around but i like it.
played a few maps tonight on my con..if you dont know me i have the worst connection in all of wireplay land hehe...and it was fine.
Played rammelle or whatever its called and loved it, great street fighting and i paired up with a guy called face, really good fun, even with my ping of nearly 300 and i ended up on 40 odd kills and 20 odd deaths.
then onto overlord, not sure about this map as i was axis and didnt have much to do really but still enjoyed it..then onto thunder where i was totally lost for ages then worked me way around..nice rain by the way on that one.
I say keep trying...dont give up on it as the wp server calmed down tonight and i personally had some cracking games...love the new weapons and the team work aspect of it all...seems fine to me.yes i agree the crosshairs take a while to get used to as does everything else but to write it off after its only been out a day is daft, keep trying is all i can say.
i think its leaps and bounds over any other beta
having to acually aim, the sniper rifle no longer being a rail gun, its all good changes. Having to use teamwork to cap points is great.
I have semi played DoD up untill now, but i can easily see it becomming a main game.
oh and why arent i surprized that Nutz is moaning ;)
Easileigh
08-02-2002, 13:08
i still think removing individual scores is the way forward
TheReaper
08-02-2002, 18:07
pffft aiming, just use the mg while prone and deployed, better than any sniper rifle :E (try it and you shall see!)
(Inc)PHOENIX
08-02-2002, 21:11
it's more easy to kill someone with a spade than with a machinegun...
:dork:
Fluffy Bunny Feet
08-02-2002, 21:12
Originally posted by Briggerz
sorry to be blunt, but if you dont like it then go play summat else.
we get you dont like it so why continue playing and moaning about it on here?
Should only glowing reports be written and we all clap and shout the sun shines out of the creators of Dod 2's arrse?
What is being said, is there are certain problems that are either
1) Caused by lag, or....
2) Caused by the game,
and suspect it is a bit of both.
The detail, sounds, gestures, general feel to the game are very good. It makes the player feel more involved, but it seems that playability has been sacrificed for detail, and that is my beef.
Dod was a good game when it came out, sure it had plenty of bugs, most of which were ironed out, but I get the impression that the extra detail and net traffic being caused by the game will be its undoing. As NN experienced, and I too did, shooting someone several times,2 head shots, sneak up behind the enemy and put a full clip into him with no effect, surely that is not right?
I went on several servers, and recognise many different players names, it was not all negative, but many long term players were clearly dismayed at the games evolution into a campers paradise and spamfest. General feeling was a bit 50-50, some either loved it or hated it. It would untrue to say I dislike it, I just don't think you can pipe all that info down a normal phoneline and expect a good result.
I will certainly be returning to Dod time and time again, but if it stays laggy and unplayable, then there would be no point in continuing, and I am not the only one that thinks that, check out some of the comments that have been made.
NumbNutz
08-02-2002, 21:15
Originally posted by Steffan
oh and why arent i surprized that Nutz is moaning ;) All this from the someone who adores an anally retentive game of TFC where you aren't allowed to look at each other on the way to the enemy base let alone fire. You cannot throw more than 1 grenade every 30 seconds less it be called spam. You even have an 'Ettiquette Server' on TFC now so that you can admire each others knowledge of the 'Un-written Rules' and play sycophantic bottom licking games as you pass each other on the 2Fort bridge.
No wonder you support Wales, Bath and Sheep.
L:rolling:ser
NumbNutz
08-02-2002, 21:26
Even the DOD website has admitted there are problems and a patch is being worked on.
Why was DOD voted the best mod recently ?
Why have the the servers been full playing the game ?
Why ?
Because it was fun.
This seems to be something sadly lacking in DOD V2.0. If I want 'realism' I'll chop my brain out with a spoon and play CS. If I wanted 'authenticity' I'd spend £70 on a flight sim with a 2 foot thick manual. There was nothing wrong with the game as it was before the patch - that's the reason it became so popular.
Yeah, some bug fixes were needed and the gameplay could've been tweaked so that more teamwork is used - but it's gone way past that. And why, oh why do the players have to run around bent over as if they are just about to throw up or drop their undercarriage from their backsides ? Ah, the Counter Sh!te influence again.
If I want reality I'll watch CNN
If I want entertainment & fun, then it appears it won't be with DoD.
(Inc)PHOENIX
08-02-2002, 21:47
it was the best mod recently in 1.3
now it looks like a new hl mod
Easileigh
09-02-2002, 00:14
since when was CS realistic
and as for those comments such as "if i want authenticity blah blah blah" well tbh its not about you, its about how the game should be played, which is not "run spam jump prone etc"
NumbNutz
09-02-2002, 01:50
"run spam jump prone etc"
Was why it was fun to play you daft pillock! If it wasn't then no one would've been playing the game!
apparantly they know about the bugs and are fixing em..major lag on open maps is the main one..peeps with cable getting 400 plus ping isnt good, but on the smaller maps, anzio, zafod etc you can still get a good game even with my 250 ping..heres hoping the server patch wont be long in coming out..
Easileigh
09-02-2002, 04:46
it WASN'T fun to see people abusing things like prone and jump you twát NumbNutz.
(Inc)PHOENIX
09-02-2002, 16:39
for realistic games play MOH or Kingpin
Originally posted by NumbNutz
All this from the someone who adores an anally retentive game of TFC where you aren't allowed to look at each other on the way to the enemy base let alone fire. You cannot throw more than 1 grenade every 30 seconds less it be called spam. You even have an 'Ettiquette Server' on TFC now so that you can admire each others knowledge of the 'Un-written Rules' and play sycophantic bottom licking games as you pass each other on the 2Fort bridge.
No wonder you support Wales, Bath and Sheep.
L:rolling:ser
wearing a bath arf does not = supporting bath. As for the rest of it, just a typical nutz style ranting wp :P. If were gonna talk about winners, when did blitz or HMDC win anything btw, onh and lesticer had a good result against Newport didnt they ? :P
just because its different and new Dosent make it any less good, i bet your the sort of person that still owns an 8 track tape player, and are convinced that is it better than CD or anything else because YOU like it
anyway moan on
Easileigh
10-02-2002, 01:17
Originally posted by (Inc)PHOENIX
for realistic games play MOH or Kingpin
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard.
Briggerz
10-02-2002, 02:03
Should only glowing reports be written and we all clap and shout the sun shines out of the creators of Dod 2's arrse?
no you shouldnt, but seeing as the dod team are highly unlikely to read these forums then ranting on here wont make a blind bit of difference.
and when you post comments like....
Dod2=pants
no wonder you stir up ill fellings, at try some constructive critism.
as for the unloading a full clip into someone at close range, well thats probably down to the recoil, if you hold the trigger until the clip runs out the bullets are gonna go all over the place.
try using short burst, thats how it works.
and when using the mg42 or other mg's try pressing the secondary fire button to deploy the bipod, the aim is then amazing.
Why was DOD voted the best mod recently ?
Why have the the servers been full playing the game ?
Why ?
Because it was fun.
and in mine (and id imagine by the amount of peole playing) the majority of people still think its fun.
If I want 'realism' I'll chop my brain out with a spoon and play CS. If I wanted 'authenticity' I'd spend £70 on a flight sim with a 2 foot thick manual
cs, realistic? erm didnt think it was.
and since when did you shoot nazi's and allies in a flight sim?
And why, oh why do the players have to run around bent over as if they are just about to throw up or drop their undercarriage from their backsides ? Ah, the Counter Sh!te influence again.
somehow i doubt very much that during a war when some fcukers firing an MG42 in your direction you dont just bowl out straight upright like a wideboy from an eastend pub.
dod betas 1.0 - 1.3b may have been fun to run,jump spam etc, but thats not how they intended it to be.
it was and still is intended to be a WWII simulation, which imo it is getting to be like, next youll be wanting to grenade jump up to inaccesable landings, or maybe incorperate a panzerfaust jumping?
get used to it or play summat else, simple as that.
you aint getting anywhere by moaning on here, goto dodmod forums and moan at the team.
(Inc)PHOENIX
10-02-2002, 12:03
Originally posted by Easileigh
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard.
well even if you look at all games OBJECTIVE you would discover these 2 (especially moh) look the most realistic
:elmo:
i couldnt be bothered to read them all, but i will give u my thoughts:
once ive downloaded it.
Easileigh
10-02-2002, 20:53
Originally posted by (Inc)PHOENIX
well even if you look at all games OBJECTIVE you would discover these 2 (especially moh) look the most realistic
since when did squads in ww2 have the option for every man to use a panzerfaust or sniper rifle?? and shotguns???? moh is a dmer's paradise.
(Inc)PHOENIX
10-02-2002, 21:01
I said LOOK the most realistic :elmo:
not IS the most realistic :homer:
Fluffy Bunny Feet
10-02-2002, 22:32
I do take your points Briggerz, and have found out all by myself that the weapons have to be used differently, thx anyway for the kind advice.
I titled this Death of a game RIP, and that is what it is, Dod1.3 is dead, this bears very little similarity to its original form. Dod 2 at the moment is pants. I am not whinging and moaning, just stating a fact (in my view).
I can see what the programmers are trying to do with Dod 2, I have had several good games and it shows much promise, but much of the time the game causes much frustration when it lags out, or locks up, or you simply do not get a kill when clearly you should have. I have been on some servers where lag is low, but you cannot hit anything with a sniper rifle even from a prone position to a clear still target (only some servers), and that kinda makes the gameplay a bit flimsy.
Hopefully the server patch will rectify things, but when you consider how long they beta tested, how come they missed the obvious problem that are blighting the game now? Did they use an infinate amount of chimpanzees and an infinate amount of PC to proof test it? I seem to remember them quoting about ironing out the bugs and not releasing until it was satisfactory.
All said and done, it is free, and could be very very good. But I feel that maybe they should have called it something else and just took the last few bugs out of 1.3b and left that game intact. Hat off to the programers and developers, they have done a superb job in the production of Dod from day one, I just think they may have gone just a little too far with this, and can see that modemers and even isdners may always find Dod2 laggy, a low spec computer will also equate to poor game play.
Dod 2 is a totally different game and could have been run alongside 1.3, instead they chose to force you to delete the file and change to 2, it would have better to have had the choice.
Given the choice, I would have stuck to Dod1.3 for now until Dod 2 became playable without the lockups and crashes. I play for fun, not to be frustrated by a game that really at the moment is a long way from working properly.
As for playing summmat else, well I happen to have liked Dod 1.3, I still occassionally play TFC, but not on wireplay servers as they have their pathetic etiquette rules which stifle the fun in the game. Quake/Quake arena, is okay, but it very much DM, which I am pretty good at but do not find it particularly rewarding.
im getting flash backs of when valve released TF1.5
Old people leave claiming game is crap after 5 mins of play
Rest of people unhappy but give game a chance
game is well liked after prolonged playing
old people slowly come back
New program found to enable playing of TF pre 1.5 patch
People play TFpre patch
People prefer TF1.5
moral of story....stop fooking moaning and give it a chance...
NumbNutz
11-02-2002, 00:36
Originally posted by Gokou
im getting flash backs of when valve released TF1.5
Old people leave claiming game is spangleafter 5 mins of play
Rest of people unhappy but give game a chance
game is well liked after prolonged playing
old people slowly come back
New program found to enable playing of TF pre 1.5 patch
People play TFpre patch
People prefer TF1.5
moral of story....stop fooking moaning and give it a chance... You forgot the last line about the 7337 TFC players that preach the un-written rules, don't allow grenades to be used without previous authorisation, ban you from a server for firing outside designated areas and promote cheating in the form of bunny hopping.
Add that and you'll get a fair assesment of TFC.
Easileigh
11-02-2002, 01:48
Originally posted by (Inc)PHOENIX
I said LOOK the most realistic :elmo:
not IS the most realistic :homer:
it doesnt look very realistic to have rocket spam all over the fluffing screen.
From the DoD forums from [DoD]Axis:
Ok let me set the record straight. So far me and mugsy have done alot to iron out the lag issues. Basically it goes like this in the current 2.0 build, and all the older versions as well.
Basically the problem lies with 2 major areas of network traffic flow.
1.) Map Changes Lag\kick you from game - This is b\c of the fact in the coding it was sending alot of scoreboard info to everyone. Redundant coding, basically I would send all my info to all 32 peeps on the server, then each of them would send theirs out to us as well. You had literally 32 peeps sending out info to each person. 32 x 32 = you get the picture. Now that coding was getting called 2-3 times, so anyone wanna geuss why it was lagging ? Not only was it getting called 1 time, but it got passed and called 2-3 times. Now Mugsy found even more lag problems with the map changes dealing with too much info, ect being sent. So all in all we have really knocked alot of network flow out for 2.1.
2.) Random Game Lag\Overflows - Following the same concept as above, basically in the spawn coding for each player there was the same problems. WAY too much info being sent 1-2 times for each person spawning, which was sent to all peeps on the server. So everytime someone spawned they would shout out to everyone alot of info. All fixed so far for 2.1.
NOW a great situation with why those 2 things above could really bring down your computer is this. Map changes, all that stuff in #1 happens, if you happen to make it through that lag. Then #2 happens b\c everyone starts spawning up, so #1 + #2 = bad bad lag. Just an example.
Anyways all these issues, plus alot more are being tackled the best me and mugsy can do. Rest assure theres alot of other things being done too, listening to feedback.
Water Snipers are out for 2.1 just for example.
So we are working on everything trust me.
I personally think they have f'kd up 2 classes in this - and not done enough with another.
The M1 garand is not worth using now. Its not accurate at all. Not even remotely.
The Sniper is pathetic - its so inaccurate and hard to aim with the MG beats it hands down.
As for not doing enough with a class - I think that the MG should have been issued with a meelee weapon - its crazy you dont even have one forum of secondary weapon. I dont think you should have a pistol - but sure - you should have a knife.
I also really think they have messed up the kick in the game. Imo (having been in the army and actually fired a lot of weapons) your aim should go back to centre after firing a shot. The weapon kicks up, but due to the way you hold a rifle, it goes back within a second. You could fire at about 1 a second and have a reasonable accuracy.
Also you should be more accurate with your shots. I mean when I was crouched firing the SA80 I was not hitting things two or three meters to the right. As for prone you should be almost 100% accurate. Standing up you should have more accuracy too - but I agree that you should not have the accuracy that the m1 had when running. It takes the fun away imo - but it makes it more realistic.
Easileigh
11-02-2002, 11:54
while i agree the accuracy of some weapons (sniper, garand) is TOO cr@p (ffs - cant even say cr@p sort it out schmoeleh ;)) its possible that this is intended to give a wake-up call to the garand whores and noob sniper hogs that ruined beta 1.
heaven forbid they may actually experiment and actually fill out the other ranks of the squad.
as for the aiming not returning to center after firing shot, whats wrong with manually adjusting your aim? i think it could even be scripted (ask Bad-Co :P)
With heavy MG it's just a case of pulling the mouse down whilst fireing, although it's by no mean suitable as a melee weapon, it's just for finding a good spot and defending a flag.
I think they have almost got it right, it's a more war like experience, the trick used to be having the faster reactions, now it's knowing when stay and shoot and when to move.
Originally posted by NumbNutz
Unfortunately, you won't be able to. As you have to authenticate via WON, they will only start allowing that with version 2.0 of the software in the same way that they stop people playing old versions of TFC. I'd be very surprised if that happens. It works like that with TFC because TFC and Half-Life patches are one and the same, and it stops authenticating older versions of Half-Life. Day of Defeat is an unofficial mod so it should be completely independant of WON authentication stuff (any authentication is to check your version of HL, not of DoD).
Garand is a hell of a lot harder to use then it was before but still a usable gun, managed to top the server a few times with it [/disenage ego mode] :dork:
If u want to fire repeatdly over distance at least make sure ur crouched and don't expect to outsnipe a kar, it's medium distance only, i only ever play LI, i'm a grunt at heart :P
my tactics revolve around sprinting from cover to cover, fireing a few shots then moving on, saving grenades for heavy resistance and MG'ers
Cowardly, yes, but it keeps my alive and captures flags :jester:
Imo, garrand is ok. I can hit fairly well but you definatly have to be crouched i find. I think the axis LI should have less grens, about 2, which is the same as the allied LI.
Aslo, i think that sniping is ok, but definatly needs work. I was axis sniper on dog1 one time on a jolt server i think, and i was totaly owning the allies who were runnin up the beach. I was able to hit them fairly well, allthough i was having to hit some of them twice to be able to kill em. The sway is a good addition imo. But, one time i played allied sniper on caen i was basicly right above a proned axis mg-er and kept trying to shoot him in the head. Basicly all my shots into his head missed; either the hit boxes are totaly fcuked or the sniper rifle is dead inaccruate, which it is it seems, Or the lag was terrible (i cant remember now).
So if they changed the sniper rifle to being 1 hit 1 kill to body and head and make it a useful class to be (ie- able to hit ppl) and taking away at least 2 LI grens (some spam fests are ridiculous) and increase the accuracy of the gerrand slightly it would make the game more playable.
Oh, one thing i noticed with mg is that it is very quickly to deploy ur tripod. Try it, u can almost start shooting before uve fully deployed it. But then it takes a while after to pick it up.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
23-02-2002, 13:44
Originally posted by ZODiaC
one time i played allied sniper on caen i was basicly right above a proned axis mg-er and kept trying to shoot him in the head. Basicly all my shots into his head missed; either the hit boxes are totaly fcuked or the sniper rifle is dead inaccruate, which it is it seems, Or the lag was terrible (i cant remember now).
So if they changed the sniper rifle to being 1 hit 1 kill to body and head and make it a useful class to be (ie- able to hit ppl) and taking away at least 2 LI grens (some spam fests are ridiculous) and increase the accuracy of the gerrand slightly it would make the game more playable.
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Maybe they have bullet proof helmets on.
Let me know when they have fixed the game, its so bad I'm back playing Sollie on TFC
must of been a pretty good helmet ;)
(Inc)PHOENIX
23-02-2002, 15:28
I prefer firearms over dod :dog:
2.0 is ok'ish, apart from the recoil. I was one of the high ranks at 1.3b, so were 2 other members of my clan, now we hate 2.0!
Briggerz
23-02-2002, 22:30
seems to me alot of people dislike it cos they dont pwn anymore :)
i always pwn :P
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