View Full Version : Why are some people so thick - "devil" dogs + children
Devil dogs and Children do not obviously fookin belong together.
The attack a couple of days ago on those children is sickening. Any parent that has half a brain would never risk their children in such a way. I know all dogs can turn but owning dogs such as bull mastiff/staff terrier cross breeds increases the chances greatly.
They are fighting dogs and have a terrible track record for attacking people.
imho the women looked a typical hard nut. Probably has a boyfriend in jail and has been told to get some "propah mutts" for when he get out of jail.
I have fook all sympathy for the parents. It's tragic whats happened to those little kids though ;(
Err i fink it's stupid to blame the parents, cause as i know bull mastiff/staff terrier cross breeds can be very loving pets.
Tis a shame what happened though :/
Personally one issue that's pissed me off royally lately is this whole building of distension centres for asylum seekers, why are we spending millions on such things when we haven't sorted out our own country’s difficulties.
I mean they have no respect for what we try to do for them anyway, there was a small prison converted into an asylum seeker detention centre not far from where i live now. Half of it was burnt to a sinder because they didn't like being confined, i mean jesus crist..
Toss em out of there ear i say, back to your own sodding country and stop wasting our money and patients.
The thing was though that the kids were playing in their own garden, when the next door neighbours dogs escaped - apparently she opened a door to get some dog food and they escaped - so I hardly think it's fair to blame the kids parents, it's the owners of the dogs that should be blamed.
I think to a degree dogs should (and probably are) delt with as leathal weapons. Certainly trained dogs the army uses cant be brough back into the country because of it and theyre tipically trained to the nth degree. If the owners dogs do something then the owner is responsible imho from the sh it that fouls our streets and makes playing fields to dangerious for kids to play in (a paracite in their turd blinds people) to the people they maul.
Vindi{t}
18-05-2002, 20:48
Wish before people blamed staffs for all the "bad" things in dogs they stopped being so ignorant and learnt the breed and not just listen to the rubbish in the media.
Actually for the record most so called "fighting" dogs are very gentle with people, dont believe me... read some facts and u will find out.
There are exceptions of course and this case is tragic, personally i think you should need a licence to own any dog and for that matter having one to raise kids might be a good idea.
Oh and ron im a parent, i have a staff but im not some half brain, i just know what im talking about with dogs unlike some
in her defence she did try and protect the child; giving herself serious wound....but the dog should have been properly contain so that in no way would it have been possible for this to happen :(
Originally posted by Vindi{t}
Oh and ron im a parent, i have a staff but im not some half brain, i just know what im talking about with dogs unlike some
Ditto, I have had dogs all my life and I have a pup now and I have a 6 month old daughter.
I am not saying all these dogs are bad and of course some make nice pets. Then again some people can tame lions but that doesn't mean I would have one as a pet.
Why shouldn't the parent get the blame, she was the one that decided to get these dogs. 2 months later they have attacked not only her and her children but the neighbours children.
I know staff/pit bull lovers will claim I am being sterotypical but I can't see for the life of the attraction of having a dog that could flip without warning and possibly kill their kids.
Like I say any dog can flip but these dogs are just fookin psychos.
I know staff/pit bull lovers will claim I am being stereotypical but I can't see for the life of the attraction of having a dog that could flip without warning and possibly kill their kids.
Same could be said for humans, people in-trust there child’s safety through minders and education, through a great deal of there early life... People are capable of so many things, as we’ve seen a human can be just as dangerous as any wild animal.
Do we not trust people? Is it the parents fault for being naive enough to believe not everyone and everything is the same... We can't tell the future, but in the same turn we don’t have to butcher our own life for the sake of safety..
Life is Life, Life isn't a bubble wrap blanket.
Vindi{t}
18-05-2002, 21:46
lo iPad m8, u well lad ?
ron i aint having a go m8 but u obviously dont know anything about staffordshire bull terrriors also known as the nanny dog. Simple fact is the staffs plus side are the kindness and gentleness they show with people and esp children including massive amounts of patience the main side effects being there not generally very good with other dogs.
Yes there are exceptions as with anything but anyone who jumps on the "omg devil dog" is just being daft, Germany did it a few years ago with the American Pit Bull and the Rottwieller, this country has done it with again the American Pit Bull and the Ridgeback ? (not to sure on the later) but i think you've been listening to far too much rubbish from somewhere if you believe staffy's can just flip and be psycho
Just my opinion and your welcome to yours regardless how wrong it is :)
Children being left in the care of Teachers etc is pretty much a neccessity though Sprite m8.
You don't need to own a extremely powerful and dangerous dog.
So I'm not the only one posting during the adverts for the top 100 world cup moments then ? :P
Vindi I am not denying that a lof of these dogs wouldn't bite your balls if you taped a bonio to them. However as nice as they can be they can do a lot of damage when they do turn.
I personally would never take the risk.
Every report you read about a dog of that type attacking someone the owner always says "It never showed any signs of aggression before" or words to that effect.
So you have your Bull Mastiff for 10 years with no problems and the next day he decides to tear a leg off your next door neighbours dauhgter :|
Also more often than not from my experience of living in Glasgow. The people that own these dogs never have them on the leash, they seem to get a buzz from people uneasyness as their dog prowls 10 feet ahead of their owner.
I just cross the street, if the guy thinks I am coward then big deal.
[TGC]Snow
18-05-2002, 21:59
Personally one issue that's burp me off royally lately is this whole building of distension centres for asylum seekers, why are we spending millions on such things when we haven't sorted out our own country’s difficulties.
I mean they have no respect for what we try to do for them anyway, there was a small prison converted into an asylum seeker detention centre not far from where i live now. Half of it was burnt to a sinder because they didn't like being confined, i mean jesus crist..
Toss em out of there ear i say, back to your own sodding country and stop wasting our money and patients.
yeh sprite coz you're doing so much for the British economy. How kind of us to build detention centres for people who have to travel thousands of miles in the backs of lorries to escape discrimination, death threats, bigotry and other assorted idiocy... oh wait, do i spot some GOOD OLD BRITISH IRONY in there?
it's disgraceful isn't it that innocent people should feel aggrieved at being confined.
btw the reason we have so many illegal entrants to the UK is because it's so f*cking impossible for authentic asylum seekers to enter the country legally. On the news the other day they spoke of 3 illegal immigrants being found on a lorry as though they were the scum of the earth or something.... yet their asylum claims still haven't been processed - what if they have perfectly valid reasons for fleeing their homeland? Are they still "illegal immigrants" with all the associated stigmas and misconceptions?
I'm not saying there isn't a problem... certainly there is a fair number of bogus asylum seekers, although we have far greater problems than immigration, however much the Daily Mail want to blabber on about it. But plz Sprite, read about immigration just an incey-wincey bit before posting tripe about fellow human beings.
P.S. I assume by "patients" u meant "patience", altho the image of crazed asylum seekers going on killing sprees in our hospitals is quite amusing
Vindi{t}
18-05-2002, 22:03
oh and for the record, i take it everyone regards the UK Kennel Club as one of the experts of dog breeds.
All 26-terrier breeds registered by the UK Kennel Club are scheduled at the show with the Staffordshire Bull Terrier attaining the highest entry every year – in excess of over 300 dogs on a number of occasions.
We have never had any biting incidents at all involving the Bull Breeds at our shows and have seen no evidence to suggest that they are “Dangerous Dogs”.
In fact, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (SBT) is the only breed of dog registered by the UK Kennel Club, which states that breed is “highly intelligent and affectionate especially with children” as well as “totally reliable” as part of Breed Standard (Characteristics & Temperament clauses) .
The SBT along with all Bull Breeds registered by the Kennel Club are essentially family pets that have committed no crime.
The UK Kennel Club registered breeds that have been persecuted by the German Government (including SBT, Bull Terrier, Bull Mastiff, Mastiff, Neapolitan Mastiff, and Rhodesian Ridgeback) are all well established in the UK, and are certainly not considered to be “fighting dogs” or a threat to public safety by the UK Government.
The SBT, which has been listed as a “category one” breed by the German Government, is one of the most popular breeds of family dogs in the UK and, being the most popular breed of terrier, is widely considered to be an ideal family pet. It is estimated that there are currently over 250,000 pet Stafford’s in the UK.
There is little, if any, evidence of biting incidents, in Germany or the UK, attributable to genuine SBT’s.
There endeth the lesson :nono:
Snow, it maybe a very heartless view towards the situation....
But why give people from another country, a home, place to eat and sleep until they've had there hearing... When we have people from our own country living on the streets, poverty on our own soil and things desperately needed being spent on people seeking asylum (which will no doubt end up in benefits of some kind draining off our own government).
All this added together where they resort to violence by burning down a least (from i know of) 1 detention centre to a sinder, if you can't see that as wrong i don't know what is..
Sure they have problems in there own country, but that doesn't necessarily becomes Britain’s problem. We lend them a helping hand, then get a kick in the teeth because they don't like being "confined". I mean how are we to know they aren't murders escaping punishment from there own soil? Do we just let them roam our population freely without question just because we can't get detailed background checks for some...
No we hold them in a detention centre where they are well looked after, safe from the violence of there own country until, if they have no background they can be properly accessed, by the correct people.
That’s just being fair, not harsh, feeling aggrieved at having a roof over there head while we can sort them out?. I’m all for helping people, but to honest they have they have no appreciation, obviously knowledge about asen though...
You’re the one talking tripe im afraid.. (not un-common)
If I ever see a Staff/Mastiff/Pitbull I will check to see if it is KC registered before I decide to get out it's way :P
Stats can be dressed up to suit any arguement. All I know is that Mastiff/Staff cross breed has tore a wee girl apart. These attacks are involve a small minority of that breed of dog but the fact remains they can do a lot of harm.
It would be great if people had to have a special lisence to own any dog considered dangerous or capable of doing a lot of damage.
However a large percentage of people who own these dogs in cities are hardly law abiding citizens and I doubt it would prevent them from having these dogs.
It's good that there are a lot of owners like yourself Vindi who take the time to study the breed. I just know that very few people who own these dogs in the east end of Glasgow put in that effort.
Vindi{t}
18-05-2002, 22:52
well its a pity then ron, cos i love the breed and the strengths/characteristics they have.. unfortunately the human element (ie the prat/meatheads who own some of them) let a lot of stafffy owners down :(
Hope tho that people dont class all staffy's or staffy owners in the same category, cos i nor any other owner i know are in the east end of glasgow type bracket
[TGC]Snow
18-05-2002, 22:56
think u've missed the point sprite... some kind of accomodation allowing for monitoring of asylum seekers is necessary of course. I was pointing out the general level of classically sprite-ish idiocy in the rest of your post, e.g. "Toss em out of there ear i say, back to your own sodding country and stop wasting our money and patients." :rolleyes:
I used to have more anti-immigration views, but then about 5 years ago my dad changed departments in the foreign office and became head of the Migration and Visa Division and actually his views changed on immigration during this period too... he basically just explained to me what goes on and how really when you deal with these people on a personal level, the majority have totally valid reasons for seeking asylum... sure you get your fair share of pr*cks who try to beat the system, but there's not much you can do about that other than to make sure you don't lose track of them
And please please please stop trying to portray yourself as some kind of figure of objectivity. Heartless != objective. I know you think your heartlessness makes you some kind of great forward thinker, but really you're just being nasty for the sake of it and talking a lot of crap at the same time
This is where the problem lies Vindi m8.
I have only been exposed to one type of Staff owner really. When I pick up the paper and read about a girl being mauled by one I think "no suprise there".
The fact that the majority of Glasgow Staff owners regard the local police station as a second home has basically tarnished my view of the whole breed. :(
Anyway htf did we get on to imigrants ?! :P
[TGC]Snow
18-05-2002, 23:30
sprite obviously associates immigrants with dogs or something... or mebbe he has that knight's move problem (would explain MANY MANY things)
interestingly while arguing about the dogs he says "Do we not trust people?" and then starts talking about the necessity for detention centres because we can't trust them to stay put :) I suppose they're smelly immigrants tho, not people, eh ;/
Debate 1: I know theres a lot of propoganda thrown about when regarding dangerous dogs, and its a very media sensitive subject, but the fact remains there are an aweful lot of people who really dont have a clue what they're doing and are exposing children to unnecessary risk from dogs.
One of my housemates' family has a couple of SBTs and they have them trained as guard dogs...Kept in pretty ****ty circumstances, kept out in the yard and trained to basically be *******s. Yet he claims they're as nice as can be to anyone in the family. Call me old fashioned but i wouldn't trust an animal that had been trained to be a cnut with children.
As it is i think that certain animals have something of a record of "turning" and these breeds should not be allowed to people with children, nor anyone with children anywhere near them tbh.
Debate 2: A lot of asylum seekers are perfectly legitimate refugees but theres a hell of a lot that are just in the **** and decide that they fancy a better existance in the UK. As it is the Immigration laws are pretty p7ss poor, but then in most countries they are as bad if not worse. Another one of those occasions where you can never have a perfect system.
P.S. Snow, any thoughts on f*cking off back to the UKTFCL forums?
Funny thing is though, if you buy a dog, or cat or any dangerous animal, you have to know that these animals could snap and harm people/children.
It is an animal that has sharp claws, and sharp teeth, and if thy haven't been trained properly, or well looked after you have to expect things like these to happen.
Shockwave
18-05-2002, 23:43
Wasnt it the neighbours dog, not the family pets of the childs family that attacked here?
Originally posted by Shockwave
Wasnt it the neighbours dog, not the family pets of the childs family that attacked here?
aye i think it jumped over the fence or something? then the dog owner jumped over the neighbours child to try and protect her.
She didnt do it intentionaly, obviosuly, but should be prosecuted due to the fact the dog was not secure.
The fact that she tried to defend the baby will go into her defence.
Vindi{t}
18-05-2002, 23:54
i agree with ron there are 2 differant types of staff owners, its hopefully something that'll change when the meatheads move onto a different breed.
Nice to see monie speaking about something he knows nothing about..again :P tell your m8 to stop using staffs as guard dogs as they are with out doubt the worst guard dog u will ever own, far too interested in sleep :P
(keep a dog in ****ty conditions then dont complain if hes a little bit bad tempered imo)
bar all this its been a decent night in checking the wireplay forums, been a while :)
[TGC]Snow
19-05-2002, 00:12
Debate 2: A lot of asylum seekers are perfectly legitimate refugees but theres a hell of a lot that are just in the ham and decide that they fancy a better existance in the UK. As it is the Immigration laws are pretty p7ss poor, but then in most countries they are as bad if not worse. Another one of those occasions where you can never have a perfect system.
yeh, agreed... all these asylum seekers (whether legitimate or bogus) are a symptom not a cause and the problem can't be addressed overnight. Sprite's "individual" proposals don't seem the right approach to me tho...
P.S. oh you are so cruel and hurtful :confused: :biggercry: what did I do to upset you this time :D
i wish someone would stick to there promise of F*cking off these forums
Originally posted by Vindi{t}
Nice to see monie speaking about something he knows nothing about..again :P tell your m8 to stop using staffs as guard dogs as they are with out doubt the worst guard dog u will ever own, far too interested in sleep :P
(keep a dog in ****ty conditions then dont complain if hes a little bit bad tempered imo)
FO, thats exactly what i said. Far too many incidents like this are down to owners not rhe dogs.
Originally posted by Steffan
i wish someone would stick to there promise of F*cking off these forums
Yes and i wish you would stop acting like a power crazed 12 year old because people disagree with your poor little league, but we dont all get what we wish for do we?
Disgree with what exatly ?
bit off cue there arent you
WHAT DO YOU DISAGREE WITH MONIE ?! PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT IM DOING WRONG, FROM YOUR POSITION OF INFINITE WISDOM, MAYBE YOU CAN ASK YOUR DAD WHO IS A DOCTOR ?!
Steffan i really dont have all night to try to point out to you exactly how you're acting like a spoilt child.
As it is you've been acting like a m0ng, going from mr attack the establishment, to Mr MY LEAGUE R TEY WIN IF YUO DONT LIEK IT FO UR CRAP!!1!
Do us all a favour and see quite what a spoilt brat you've become.
As i say cant be arsed with you at the moment so i'll see you in the morning.
P.S. Snow, nothing i love you really :x
oh F*ck off monie, your wanted about as much as Gonnorea, acting like a spolit brat ? is that the best you can come up with, is that the crux of your argument ?
Look i know your having a hard coping with the fact that I pointed out many things that you were totaly wrong on the other night, but please spolit brat ?
If anyone ever on these forums, could be considered that, you epitomise it, you infact could be the modern poster child for spoilt brats, im sure if looked the term up, there will be a picture of you sitting there.
As i say, when you have something of a vaild argument come back, but then we would wait a long time for that to happen
Djevelen
19-05-2002, 00:47
POINTLESSPETTYFLAMING++
SpaceMonkey
19-05-2002, 00:52
snow > sprite:mad:
Originally posted by Steffan
oh F*ck off monie, your wanted about as much as Gonnorea, acting like a spolit brat ? is that the best you can come up with, is that the crux of your argument ?
Look i know your having a hard coping with the fact that I pointed out many things that you were totaly wrong on the other night, but please spolit brat ?
If anyone ever on these forums, could be considered that, you epitomise it, you infact could be the modern poster child for spoilt brats, im sure if looked the term up, there will be a picture of you sitting there.
As i say, when you have something of a vaild argument come back, but then we would wait a long time for that to happen
Could you be any more of a case in point?
You are so far lodged up your own arse its sickening. You think that i'm upset because we disagreed on the level of clans?? YUO RETARD.
MAKE SOME LATERAL CONNECTIONS F*CKWIT.
I couldn't give a f*ck if i'm a spoilt brat, i'm not running the league, or in fact have anything to do with wp. You do, in fact you're one of their most important community figureheads, yet u still act like a pathetic child.
d*ck.
nn :)
Djevelen
19-05-2002, 01:18
Originally posted by Djevelen
POINTLESSPETTYFLAMING++
Ah so in other words, you conceed that you were talking balls about the league ?
In your opinion im "acting like a child", because obviously if i WAS acting like a child about it, LW would have fired me surely ?
As i say, if your going to critise the league, back it up, and point spececifcs that are wrong, i Know being constructive isnt your forte, but try eh ?
as for you being upset, i can imagine a few things have made you upset this week :laugh: , afterall it has been a big week for you on forums hasnt it
Has it?
LW hasn't fired you for the simple reason that you're the only simpleton that actually wants to run the league, hence you only being e-mailed about your behavious and not told to fo.
lastword++
yes of course monie, because you know so much about it ?
well i suppose you did go crying to her, asking her to tell me to leave you alone, which i found amusing :laugh:
once again Monie, talking about things you nothing about, Who were the first clan to BEAT Sf again ? rofl
you really are quite clueless
Yes cos you understand what you're talking about.
If you'd like the true account, i told her i was quitting the cup, as you knew.
She said i dont spose theres anythign she could do to make me stay on.
I said not really as it was you being a c*ckend. The only way i'd stay on is if you quit acting like a bellend and turned every disagreement into a childish personal vendetta. Which from your current behavious isn;t likely to happen.
As it is you have serious problems detaching what people are saying from who is saying it. Every comment made to you you take as a person gripe against you. Complexmuch??! I think you've been an outkast so long that any argument you automatically leap into "have nothing to lose, undermine their credibility" mode, and as such totally lose sight of anything useful that might be being pointed out to you. You cant get the f*ck over yourself enough to see that not everything is involving you at all
Anyway, i'm really not coming back to this, its not going anywhere, you're still acting like a 12 year old special school case, and i'm too tired to give a toss in response.
I do know what LW said the only person she could think of that could do the league if u had to be dismissed was her, ie noone wants your position f*cktard.
Anyway, all i need to say is written in these pages, if you think of anything to respond, re-read them , you'll see my answers there. Go to bed, think about quite how you're acting, and genuinly try to justify it to yourself. I told you before i never doubted your integrity through anything we'd argued about to date, always at least knew you were argueing because you truely believed in it. Now you've stooped to the level of just flaming for the sake of being a d*ck. Yuo flame because you dont want to answer any real questions, you find it much easier just to take out the other person. Unfortunatly i have no reputation worth protecting, so it doesn't really work with me.
The only thing you had of any moral highground over me was me doing the WP-Cup, which i promptly resigned from...yet you still act like a c*ck, making wp appear to be a haven for bellends.
P.S. RvR were the first clan to beat -Sf- ;)
I have no problems detaching critisasim from the rest monie, I have a problem with you getting on your high horse, when you have nothing to get on it about.
As i said before Monie, you critised the league, but have not actually said 1 thing thats wrong with it, you have called me childish, but the only person that seems to see this is you. If WP is a haven for bell ends, and i am such a poor league head, how do we have 50+ clans signed up and waititng for the league to start, if im that bad, and childish, and the rest of the bullsh*t you constantly spout, then why are soo many clans signed up and waiting for the league ?
How do you know that no one would take up the head league admin pos, if there were public applicaitons for it ? you dont, so once again your talking balls.
Oh and the ritchest part so far, i only flame for the sake of it ?
Monie, all you have ever done since you came to these forums is start pointless flame and vendetta after each other, constantly you go from 1 to another. You think you have an expert opinion on everything, you are very narrow and bloody minded, and its a shame, because im sure deep down your not an utter waste of space. You spend your time taking issue with everything you can on the forums, constantly, and frankly its tiresome.
as for justifying myself, Via the league, i have made 1 mistake, that that was the business over at BY. Generally, i cant see the big mistakes im making with the league, maybe you can point them out, seeing as always your the expert?
either put up or shut up monie, if your going to critisise the league, point out exatly whats wrong with it, so i can take steps to rectify it. But of course, its fair easier to sit there calling me childish
As for all the complex and outcast stuff, you really are clueless, really badly clueless, i have never considered myself an outcast, and the only things i take personaly, are the personal remarks you make monie, but then thats understantable no ?
PS game of snooker ?!
PPS in your first reply you said you were going to bed, because you couldnt be ar*ed, yet an hour later your still here ?! is it a bit like your leaving post, and most other things you post, hollow and meaningless
I do believe we should toss them out of there ear, this isn’t a portrayal of being “heartless”.. Just get a grip on reality Snow, just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they are left winged wannabe. I’m not going to back a view just because I want an argument, I mean did you not seem asylum seekers jumping the fences in france at the euro tunnel entrance? Just so they could make there way to England, france don’t care. They want to get rid of them because they were violent many times, un-responsive at best. Sure legitimate ones are feeling the bare of others, but are we suppose to loosen our rules and give easier access to more violent people just to lessen the time the innocent spend in a warm place, with food, water and everything but discrimination, persecution and the harsh reality of there home they have desperately escaped.
I’m not being nasty, I just stating a hard fact that the rules we have at the moment are the only way. After things like burning half a detention centres down and continuing to beat lala out of the staff that work there, some were innocent that did that. Of sound mind enough to take violence out of the same people who are trying to help them, does it really seem we should dedicate some a large sum towards them?
They are accessed snow, like any mental patient would be to judge (if no background details are obtained) whether they are ok in our public population. I can’t see how they can expect swift processing when our own medical system has month waiting lists for vital operations; maybe you need to put your own views into perspective?
I’m sure im wrong though, like the rest of the people from my borough council protesting at the fact more detention centres are being built.. When the last one in our area was half burnt down.
You seem to be able to mock me within your post rather than show any facts the contradict my views, maybe it's cause your own ideals on the situation are so bleak they hold absolutely no water.. Rather a human-rights activists blurb that doesn't think about the grander scale of things, or the implications.
lol might as well call this topic "the flameathon" or summit. 3 seperate arguments! :eek:
heh toff, would help if i scan read my posts after writing them, Don't care enough about arguing with snow it would seem to do so though.
I'm sure he puts more thought into it, being that his existence is so bleak he was asking me on irc to start flaming people again only a number of weeks ago. What a bender huh ;)
Toff pop by in #sskclan later, need a word.
~Dear Old Granny~
19-05-2002, 10:39
Asylum Seekers > Economic Migrants
Why are such a huge percentage of the people coming here young fit men (many obviously relish a punch up or a spot of arson) who don't have the knackers to fight FOR the country they are so busy running away from.
Answer, they're spineless , idle, troublemaking cowards who want to be absorbed into a benefits culture.
Well, we've got an ample supply of those over here thanks very much, we don't want anymore. We can't afford anymore.
One thing though, I've heard the lie that all the other Euro states take more refugees than Britain (Germany even) and they're all absolutely ecstatic about having their countries filled with shady gangs of young 20something men hanging around in the street that they're having street parties to celebrate.
Actually, no they're not. The far-right movements are enjoying a growth on ly rivalled by the 70's. Gfg immigration policies.
I'm sick of it personally, and apart from self styled immigrant specialists, who seem to be immigrants I gather many others feel the same.
If this isn't the country your forebears fought to create and ensure the liberty of, then for sure you're not going to care if it's given away to some good for nothings. On the other hand if you feel something belongs to you, then you'd like a bit of say in how it's distributed. Yes?
I'd close the Channel Tunnel tomorrow, and keep it shut until border security can be assured. Worst thing to happen in the last two decades.
Can i just express my love for you ~DOG~?, i knew i wasn't the only one annoyed at the situation.
:x
Defragmentor
19-05-2002, 10:56
I don't know much about asylum seekers, so I'll just say that moanie is a f*cktard. What's your problem with snow? I didn't see any sort of comment from snow directed at you, yet you bite his head off?
I'd rather read his posts than yours, maybe you should migrate to the UKTFCL forums and not come back?
Anyway, resume the Steff + Moanie rehashed flame of no interest.
It wouldn't bother me if they had snipers at our end of the Tunnel, frankly they should be all shipped back asap, and if that means France then so be it :mad:
Originally posted by Steffan
Oh and the ritchest part so far, i only flame for the sake of it ?
Monie, all you have ever done since you came to these forums is start pointless flame and vendetta after each other, constantly you go from 1 to another. You think you have an expert opinion on everything, you are very narrow and bloody minded, and its a shame, because im sure deep down your not an utter waste of space. You spend your time taking issue with everything you can on the forums, constantly, and frankly its tiresome.
A) i know because of the applications last time... the occasion where you were given the position.
B) I dont have to act properly, as i dont have anything to do with wp...you do. *POINT*
Example one of being childish.
You go straight into attack mode at Nighthawk who afterall had only originally offered to help code the website, yet after he makes a few comments you go off on one about how hes bitter and pathetic because he didn 't get the position, completely ignoring any comments he might have had to say.
You just take everything to a personal level and ignore what people are saying.
The flames you and i have been steffan are virutally identical, anything you flame me for can easily be directed back at you, the only difference is that you're now a representative of WP, i'm not.
I think you will find that the only person i truley ignore monie is you, as for attacking nighthawk, I think again, if you looked into it, i was merly defending Hobbes/my choise in Hobbes, Refugee was/is the one that took it far.
So again, come up with something vaild Monie gwan
/Agree Dear old Granny
Legal Immigrants :wavey:
Real Asylum Seekers :wavey:
Economic Migrants :moon:
~Dear Old Granny~
19-05-2002, 12:15
O.K. then what's it to be?
Soldiers at the French end.
HWs in the tunnel.
Sentry guns on the train platforms.
I think Mr Blair should be told.
"Oh no, he's trying to HH conc over the English Channel - Lol! Aerial shot, that ought to slow him down!"
[TGC]Snow
19-05-2002, 17:51
Originally posted by Spritey
They are accessed snow, like any mental patient would be to judge (if no background details are obtained) whether they are ok in our public population. I can’t see how they can expect swift processing when our own medical system has month waiting lists for vital operations; maybe you need to put your own views into perspective?
Did you get daddy to highlight all your spelling mistakes? Assuming you meant "assessed", well you're a little confused (nothing changes, eh). They *are* assessed regarding the validity of their asylum claim, but they aren't sent to bloody psychiatrists and given pills like some mental patient. Normally no assessments regarding suitability "in our public population" are made, the only requirement is that you have a valid reason for not being able to live in your own country.
Our medical system has nothing to do with it, I'm beginning to think that u do suffer from Knight's move in a big and interminably corrupted way. I apologise for mocking you, but it's just SO EASY. Try not to read everything that made you cry and u will find some real arguments against your viewpoint.
I live in Kent btw, we have a much bigger immigration problem than the Midlands, and like I said my dad has first hand knowledge on the whole issue of immigration. We have a load of Kosovans in the town and the teenagers from the group have been involved in one big fight, but it was with a bunch of chavs who were asking for it. I haven't had any problems with them.
The fact is that there is a whole load of Englishmen who make every single immigrant to this country (illegal or not) look like Mother Teresa. By your logic, surely we should just chuck these people out of the country? But that's not how it works - they just become someone else's problem, and that isn't how you fix things.
And i honestly can't believe you're telling me to look at the bigger picture when you're the one who can't see outside the bounds of your own hometown. Pushing people about from one country to the next solves nothing.
Oh and yeh, I do put more thought than you into my replies, an unusually accurate observation there sprite. Well done
Flomotion
19-05-2002, 18:58
er.. whats a chav?
[TGC]Snow
19-05-2002, 19:14
u'd prolly call them a townie or a ned... depends where u live
Dean, Pog, Knacker, Scummer, Chaaver.
Oh the list goes on
Yes they are assessed, i used the way a mental patient would be to create a form of comparison between the two. Not nessarcerly refer to the way in which it is done, just that they have similarities. Also the comparison that they are expecting swift processing when we have things like 6 month critical operations waiting lists in the NHS, are you just stupid? :/
You have a totally different view to mine on this, shame yours is warped but there we go.. Can't help it can we.
The bigger picture is, we are spending ridicules amounts of money on people not from our own country when we have 101 problems of our own to deal with. We are giving them a roof, warm place to live and foods while our very own are living on the streets.
We do this for them happily, and they replay us with gangs. People afraid to leave there home when they are around (i've been to telford, some of the gangs are very dangerous and ive been threatened when walking through the shopping centre before for looking at one of them "wrong")... Not to mention burning down there own detention centre..
Then feeding off the government...
Then...
Then...
List goes on and f**king on...
Mock me all you wish snow, i couldn't care less since you've just proven to be an absolutely p1llock for 90% of the time ive been in the TFC community.
[TGC]Snow
19-05-2002, 21:57
are you just stupid? :/
oh the irony :laugh:
The bigger picture is, we are spending ridicules amounts of money on people not from our own country when we have 101 problems of our own to deal with. We are giving them a roof, warm place to live and foods while our very own are living on the streets.
a) Do you have any idea at all how much money we spend on these people?
b) Our government does exactly the same thing for the British homeless (or at least tries to). How many homeless people do you actually see? We don't have a huge problem with people living on the streets, and anyway by your (severely warped) "heartless" viewpoint it's their own fault that they're living on the street... the inconsistencies in all your arguments are infinite
c) As tuna put it: "<TuNa`****{t}> does sprite not understand that asylum seekers arent just one person cloned lots of times".
d) Gangs of young people always have and always will be a problem, regardless of immigration. They end up grouping together because your average Brit doesn't want to have anything to do with them
e) <LBU|TheFox> [cQt!1] <@LoneGun> i once had coke, drank for about 15 hours non stop | <@Spritey> i drank 8 litres in 1 day and nearly went into a coma once. | <@LoneGun> of water? | <@Spritey> coke | <@Scott`indie> not coka cola sprite | <@Scott`indie> u twat
woops sorry bout (e), dunno how that got in there
Defragmentor
19-05-2002, 23:34
that last point could win just about any arguement...
Flomotion
19-05-2002, 23:56
rofl :laugh:
[DW]LoneGun
20-05-2002, 00:51
something else which sprite is failing to realise is that the majority of immigrants/asylum seekers do actually work and live quite normal lives without causing any trouble but then again I suppose news stories about that wouldnt be too interesting.
The same views were held by people in the 50s/60s when there was an influx of caribbean immigrants and I'm sure that now you can see that they are a complete part of british life haven been given the chance to work etc that the majority of the eastern european immigrants are after. I do find it pretty ridiculous how long it takes to process the people coming into the country and yes some of them should just be sent straight back to france/holland etc as tbh they aren't really suffering once they reach those countries. I'd also like to see some kind of restriction put on the amount of benefits they are allowed to recieve say a year or so, so that they are given a chance to get jobs and become part of the british communitys after this time then maybe a review of them being given permittence to live in the country.
Coming from an immigrant family myself I think that they all deserve the chance to proove that living in the UK will benefit them in other ways than just sponging of the government.
btw snows final point negates any sprite 'comments'
:E
Frymaster
20-05-2002, 00:54
Originally posted by Steffan
I think you will find that the only person i truley(sic) ignore monie is you....(snip)
I wish you bloody well would, because your practice of randomly starting flames with him even when everything he said matched the general thread consenus is more than slightly annoying.
bah ;p
Ordering ADSL l8erz, you're still a c0ck snow.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 11:38
Monie, all you have ever done since you came to these forums is start pointless flame and vendetta after each other, constantly you go from 1 to another. You think you have an expert opinion on everything, you are very narrow and bloody minded, and its a shame, because im sure deep down your not an utter waste of space. You spend your time taking issue with everything you can on the forums, constantly, and frankly its tiresome.
That is one fu*king perfect description.
And Sprite i now wish i hadn't posted that thread the other night, cos you made yourself look like one bigheaded thick f*ck yourself in this one.
Begone child.
When will you understand this Shagaire, i dont f**king care what you or anyone on here thinks of my posts. Fact i don't scan read them afterwards shows i really couldn't care less, doesn't make me look like a fool when someone corrects my spelling. Just shows they took a little bit more time than i did to write text on a game forum than me. Unfortunately ive got better things to do with my time than get worked up, or stressed over some grettin like snow or yourself.
I would quote g00n to how i see both of you, but i think you can work out what that would be yourselves.
Shaghaire do us all a favour and f*ck oiff back to whatever forumz your diseased pathetic carcass dragged itself.
To be honest i couldn't give a rats bellend what you think of me, largely cos i dont respect anyone who thinks that you have to have tried illegal substances to be able to comment on them...f*cktard.
I havn't tried hacking off buth my legs with a rusty cheesewire and putting my nuts in a blender but i know its gonna hurt.
Be a nice little m0ng and run off back to wherever it is that actually values your company.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 11:52
Yet you edit your posts. You really are THICK.
Not spelling, adding another insult. Figure you deserved it since you're such a bender, dont thank me.. I already know it was well received.
EVERYONE WHO EDITS THEIR POST IS FIK1!!1!
gg logic. Do you have learning problems or are you just genuinly struggling to come to terms with the concept of what makes intelligence?
Are you upset over your double figure I.Q. from the test? Never mind i'm sure you'll lead a fine life even if you'll make it to an age greater than your I.Q.
For the record i edited my post to correct a typo, as my typing skillz 0wn me ragged.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 11:59
Monie go back and read that thread you stupid f*ck. Then do me a favour and kick your ISDN box off the wall.
You two related is some fu*ked up way perchance?
Its cable modem i'm afraid.
And no i've read it thoroughly, and you're still an inbred retard
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 12:02
ohhhhh like that is it :)
Monie what do you do ? Cos i already know Sprite is a BETec batty boy.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 12:04
Been there done it. Next ?
My diploma's bigger than your diploma.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 12:07
lol :)
So you've done a degree, and that proves..?
Absolutely nothing. You could have done one in green maintanance at the university of East London for all i know.
Degrees mean very little, especially regarding intelligence.
So congratulations on your degree i'm sure it'll keep you happy in your old age.
A level actually, nice try though moron.
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 13:02
The chuckle brothers!? Yet not as funny and far more stupid.
[TGC]Snow
20-05-2002, 15:05
hush shagaire
sprite, if you really don't care then please stop posting. It would give you more time to be cool and allow the rest of us at least a fighting chance of preserving our sanity
I think my version of monie's post was better :P
Originally posted by Shagaire
The chuckle brothers!? Yet not as funny and far more stupid.
Jeffrey Archer?! Though with less wit, intelligence, and less of a nice guy.
I reckon I could take on anyone dog :-) seriously. I beat my labrador up when hes giving it hehe. You just got to be quick and with your hands grab their bottom Jaw and hold it down, then sit on them LOL. They can't move their jaws because its only the bottom one that moves, without them they aint too good :D. More than one and yus u would get eaten alive :*(
My dog is the soppist thing alive, although in certain circumstanses very vicious. Food is the focal point of any Labrador, if you try to take somthing off him that is has food he will probably go for you hehe :) But then again its our fault we werent strict enough.
I think if a dog is well trained, none of this would happen..
Incidentally the house of the girl that was maimed the other day was burgled yesterday when her parents were at her bedside in Hospital...how sh*tty a run can one family have.
As for monie...
This thread:
Are you upset over your double figure I.Q. from the test? Never mind i'm sure you'll lead a fine life even if you'll make it to an age greater than your I.Q.
Another thread:
Geforce = single figure I.Q.
Go read through the post again...muppet.
Monie your right, A levels, GCSEs or Diplomas don’t necessarily mean you have a high intelligence level. You obviously must be intelligent yourself, because you thrive on raising your status higher than everyone else. But I don’t think that’s the case, I think you’re just the same as the rest of us.
For the record i edited my post to correct a…
Is this how you make yourself so superior to the rest of us? You’re not referring to yourself.
How old are you, because me and most other people on these forums are judged by our age. Comments like “Grow up”, “Go away until you grow a penis” or “You must have a single figure I.Q” really piss me off, coming from another 16, 17 or 18 year old teenager doesn’t really mean anything does it? This don’t just go for Monie but the other b!tches that use these phrases.
Umm…
Shagaire
20-05-2002, 16:01
Originally posted by Monie
Incidentally the house of the girl that was maimed the other day was burgled yesterday when her parents were at her bedside in Hospital...how sh*tty a run can one family have.
That is evil cos those basts they new they were at the hospital at that time.
And there was me thinking this was about dogs , shame really i had something useful to add.
Omg Geforce , you actually think you could take on a police trained German shepeard ? in your dreams .
My real dads got a German Sheapard. Some of them are quite big, they go for the arms :-) hmm .. I reckon I could fend it of, It could bite my arm but, I d pull it to the floor then wrap my legs around its stomach and squeeze.. then sort its long gob out ..
So why dont all the criminals who get caught by German Shepeards do that ? believe you me when a Shepeard sinks his teeth into your arm you wont be thinking anything other than please let go nice doggy. And they dont always go for the arm , yes they are trained to but it doesn't always go how its planned.
Originally posted by Geforce
My real dads got a German Sheapard. Some of them are quite big, they go for the arms :-) hmm .. I reckon I could fend it of, It could bite my arm but, I d pull it to the floor then wrap my legs around its stomach and squeeze.. then sort its long gob out ..
:laugh: You dont need me to make you look stupid.
Thats because by that time they have a couple of firearms pointing at them. Yes I'd let the dog maul me up then...
Dogs arn't designed too well. It's hearts between its legs, pull both legs out and pop...
If you dog had hold of somthing you stick your figers either side of its jaw and squeeze, thats how you open its mouth. Or like I said grab its bottom jaw and hold onto it. Dogs aint that impressive, if they had big claws their techinque might be twice as effective.
:laugh: :laugh: ROFL, STOP IT, PLEASE!!! LMFAO ITS TOOOO FUNNY.
/me collapses with laughter.
Monie it's a kickboxing move, if your opponents on the floor and you have his arm you’d put it in between your legs squeeze and pull as hard as you can. It’s hard not to snap it and is ****ing hard to get out of. Or you hold their head and put both your legs round his waist area and squeeze while pushing out. I could probably break your ribs with my thighs.
Are you trying to flaunt your intellect again by saying I’m wrong? It’s the mental concept that stops anyone.
There is actually a way to neutralise a police dogs attack, but it's really nasty, and almost fatal to the dog, so the police have (8-9 years ago) changed the way the dogs attack, so whoevers being attacked can't fight back in that particular way.
[edit]
trying to stay out of the argument BTW :)
Humans are Pshyicaly stronger and alot more durable in terms of punishment. So why not?
The dog holds on to your arm and pulls outwards, marinating distance from you and the dog. Which is the only reason stopping you from getting to it and giving it a damn good fwapping.
Oh i'd f*cking love to see you take on a police attack dog. It really would make my year.
I said one dog. There'd probably be more than one in a police dog attack, which wasnt what I was saying. One dog yes, more than one, unless I had a brick in my hand no.
"A POLICE ATTACK DOG" = Singular f*cknuckle
No. They only set one dog on you. They're only allowed to set one on you, as two would be out of their control, so you'd be able to sue them.
I'd like to see you take on a police dog too.
Flomotion
20-05-2002, 16:41
What about a tiger? Bet you could teach one of them a lesson or two eh?
Originally posted by Monie
"A POLICE ATTACK DOG" = Singular f*cknuckle
Hehe. You twit. The dogs objective is to control the criminal not kill him. So infact, I would even need to harm the dog to "Take it on" lemon..
Originally posted by Geforce
The dog holds on to your arm and pulls outwards, marinating distance from you and the dog. Which is the only reason stopping you from getting to it and giving it a damn good fwapping.
And you dont think that a dogs teeth in your arm would hurt then?
And flo, a Tiger's a feline, not a canine. Please stay away from things you don't understand ;) :P
Flomotion
20-05-2002, 16:43
fs IT HAS CLAWS!?
Originally posted by Geforce
Hehe. You twit. The dogs objective is to control the criminal not kill him. So infact, I would even need to harm the dog to "Take it on" lemon.. Uh wats your point?
No, you dont seem to understand. To control the criminal it barks at you. If you lash out at it, it will bite you, very hard and wont let go until the controller tells it to.
Flomotion
20-05-2002, 16:45
bit like how u could bait Weedkiller on the forums :D
Originally posted by Monie
Oh i'd f*cking love to see you take on a police attack dog. It really would make my year.
A human being with a slight bit of sense and physical ability could more than easily kill a German Sheapard. It's like saying Mike Tyson couldn't kill a normal human with one punch in the face.
but ref...thats when he springs into action, getting the dog in a kung-fu manoever and ripping its lega apart to kill it!!!1?!
Originally posted by Refugee
No, you dont seem to understand. To control the criminal it barks at you. If you lash out at it, it will bite you, very hard and wont let go until the controller tells it to.
So you don't know how to release a Dogs Jaws? I've already told you more than once. And there is more than one method.
You couln't kill a dog in on go unless you broke its neck, or back. But dogs move out of the way of things coming towards them, and if you hurt it it will lash out in a very violent and a very painful and a very "I wanna kill you" way.
If you punch a polive dog it will own you no matter what. They send them out against footy hooligans, who spend their spare time beating eachother up, I doubt you're any stronger than they are.
So theres a dog clamped onto your arm. Its pulling at your flesh, you're in a lot of apin and bleeding. You pinch its nose/muzzle just right and it'll let go. Its a fvking police dog, you dont think that it'll then just sit there and wait for you to hit it do you? It'll jump up and bite you again.
Geforce theres a simple way to test it. Fin d someone that has a particularily arsey little pit-bull, sign something that makes them immune from prosecution, then video yourself 0wning it for us.
Flomotion
20-05-2002, 16:54
I'd still like to see him attack a tiger ;(
Pit Bull, they are aggressive not strong. You mean somthing like a boxer? 1) Pit Bull = run towards you 2) pull leg back 3) swing leg towards dogs head 4) kick dogs head 5) dont stop kicking 6) dead dog. You dont need to be stong to kill a dog, you need to know its weak points. I suggest you go and find some sites to read... because u know squat about how to counter attack them. Have you even got a dog??
move leg, dog goes for other leg, move other leg, you fall voer.
Dog owns you.
Originally posted by Geforce
Pit Bull, they are aggressive not strong. You mean somthing like a boxer? 1) Pit Bull = run towards you 2) pull leg back 3) swing leg towards dogs head 4) kick dogs head 5) dont stop kicking 6) dead dog. You dont need to be stong to kill a dog, you need to know its weak points. I suggest you go and find some sites to read... because u know squat about how to counter attack them. Have you even got a dog??
:laugh: oh christ if this was intentional you'd be truely a comic genius.
I mean any even remotely arsey dog..go for it, i'd be personally willing to wager anything i had that ANY guard/trained attack dog, would make mincemeat out of you.
I imagine Geforce is probably right; knowing how to wound or kill an attacker is very different to actually being able to do it. Everything (including dogs) has weak points and exploiting them would mean the difference between winning and losing the fight.
Although, whether or not he could successfully fight off a police dog ranges from debatable to entirely ridiculous.
lol.
If you don't think your pyshically stong enough to bring pain upon a dog then you must either have brital bone desiese or be 60+ years of age.
To be honest noone's disputing that you can harm a dog, noone's thick enough to believ they're invulnerable. What people are disputing is that you yourself could win in a fight with a police attack dog, or indeed anything greater in size than a Jack Russel going for you.
To be brutally honest a trained dog would rip you to shreds while you were trying to position your thumb up its ar£e.
Monie do you know how strong your own jaws are? because there stronger than a dogs even if they arn't as big.
you are seriously underestimating the ability of a human. Bite the ****ing dog back..
Jesus you have no imagination.
Now if I jam my thumb up its ar$e that should get it really mad!
So let me get this straight; you've been talking about how to kill a dog for the last 30 posts?
Its not about strength, its about speed and generally being vicious. A dog has large pointy teeth, and they are fast f*ckers. You're a wretched teenager with all the fighting coordination of a paraplaegic beaver.
In short a dog trained in immobilisation is going to f*ck you up, whether you know how you're meant to pacify them or not.
bite the dog back? it'll spin round and savage your throat.
They are a lot more bendy than you are.
Quite obviously you haven't felt the jaw pressure of a German shepeard Geforce , and in comparrison to other dogs ie bit bulls ect ect the german shepeard is a pussy cat.
You could always just sh*t in its mouth.
Plus the police use dogs over another 2/3 human beings for a reason...
In practice... yes it would.
Ah, you slay me.
I think you've done a brilliant job of making yourslef look like a m0ng btw, well done...saved me a job :)
Run in fear everybody...Gefarce will have his wicked way with your dogs, then come aftur yuo with his l337 fighting skillz!!!!
geforce - it would.
Let me put it into place for you.
A dog sinks its teeth into your arm. It then starts to pull away from you. This will hurt, alot, so your brain will think "Oh F*ck" and start waving your arm about for you, to try and get it off, this will hurt even more.
If you tried to hit it it would bite harder, if you got it off you it would just jump on you again.
Okie?
Gefarce - "come on then u german shephard biatch...bring it...what, gah NOO , ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH, GET IT OFF GET IT OFFF PLEEEEAAASSSEE HELP MEEEEEE"
Theres a girlfriend joke in there somewhere...
Ref, this is the whole ****ing point.
"and start waving your arm about for you, to try and get it off"
From the START I have been stating if you can exploit a dog and its weak points then you WILL KNOW how to kill it. You weigh alot more than a dog and alot more phsyical strength. The dog may have the edge on agility. If it bites you and has your arm then you keep it as close it its mouth so it doesnt tear your flesh. Then you basicaly sit on it and control it either with your weight or the technique i mention earlier. You'd if you wanted to free your arm then you use your other hand and put your thumb and index between the gaps in both sides of its jaw. the harder you sqeeze the more its jaws open. (I do this when i get stones out my my Dogs jaws - so please cut your ****, i know how hard a dog bites. For instance PUT your fingers in both sides of your cheaks and Sqeeze hard .. feel it?
Now do this for me > grab your bottom jaw and hold it down, then try to bite... notice your whole head moves instead of your jaw closing...
If you wanted to kill it then you'd need to give it blows to the head, or puncture its heart or lungs. SO you can either stamp on its rib cage of pull its legs out oppersite until its heart punctures.
kthxfo
NOW the only thing you need to do is decide if you want your arm back or want to kill the damn thing.
And you missed my point.
You may well know how to deal with a dog, but your primitive brain which holds the knee jerk reactions doesn't.
It'll know that whatever's on your arm hurts like f*ck, and shaking it will probably get it off, so it'll do that.
I have two dogs, and I know that if you sqeeuze its mouth it will let go, but not straight away. And after a dog jumps on you you'll be recovering from the shock anyway (it will knock you back a bit and put you of your balance)
And if you can sit on your dog without it wriggling away you must be one fat f*ck.
Gefarce, its simple, you can know all the theory in the world but a trained dog will f*ck you up royally while you're whimpering on the ground, and an untrained but generally narky pit-bull will do even worse...cos it'll have no problems hacking at your face instead of your arms.
In short you'll be 0wned ragged irrespective of what you know.
Assuming you did actually manage to kill the dog, you'd be facing life imprisonment anyway :P
I think it's legal to kill a dog in self defence.
Did you know the military are trained to kill a Dog in the way I stated above? Puncture the heart?
Yuo r fik mr Monie I have the I.Q of a 10,000,000 year old alien.
Originally posted by Monie
Gefarce, its simple, you can know all the theory in the world but a trained dog will f*ck you up royally while you're whimpering on the ground, and an untrained but generally narky pit-bull will do even worse...cos it'll have no problems hacking at your face instead of your arms.
In short you'll be 0wned ragged irrespective of what you know.
Hmm This sounds like im going to lie on the floor for your mike tyson strenth Pit Bull. These dogs are so genticaly defected that it would probably kill itself before it go to me.
These dogs are one of the most relaible and widely used fighting dogs...what by mistake?? they got the wrong breed?? No cos they are vicious little savage b*stards.
It would rip you a new ar£ehole.
There fighting dogs because there savage, they go for the rear legs to desable their opponent. It's their temprement, it doesnt mean there the most phsyically able dog. They are small anyway. A nice plum boxer would easy have the strength to maul a pit bull
65 posts on how to and how you couldnt maul a dog. lol
[TGC]Snow
20-05-2002, 18:27
geforce givin monie a taste of his own medicine, eh :D
Monie in head vs. brick wall shocker :cool:
Quinnbeast
20-05-2002, 18:41
LOL!
Geforce, you really are an astonishingly funny fella. YOU MAKE ME LARF!
You obviously have never had a German Shepherd holding on to one of your limbs. You can't punch it, because you're far to busy trying a) to get off the floor, b) not to sh*t your pants and c) to concentrate on stopping the dog from dislocating for effing shoulder and eating your face (ok, a trained dog won’t eat you obviously, but it’s difficult to see sense during that sort of situation). I've been to a couple of public police dog shows and if you think you could do anything more than mildly bruise a trained police dog (or any sort of aggressive dog of above average size) then I suggest you give it a go. And I don’t mean with your own mutt. Your average domestic labrador isn't exaclty going to try and rip you limb from limb. On paper, a human is stronger and heavier. In practice, it’s a very different matter, and if you think otherwise then you need to do some more research (and while you’re at it, exercise some logic as well).
Net kiddie vs fully trained German Shepherd?
I know where my money will be going.
Jet Li vs fully trained German Shepherd?
Can anyone say WoofMac?
WOW THIS THREAD IS TRAVELLING AT SIXTY POSTS AN HOUR......VRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!1
Quinnbeast
20-05-2002, 18:54
And just to clarify (sorry for staying on-topic, I know it isn’t the norm around here;)) - Yes, people are bigger and stronger. Yes, you can learn how to injure a dog. But…
Dogs have evolved over millions of years and are built for hunting. The can exert every once of strength and agility in capturing prey several times their size. They are essentially predators and don’t have the intelligence to be afraid the same as a human does, or to hesitate or to worry about their actions. It’s all about instinct, which counts for a hell of a lot.
People have evolved to sit on their fat ar*es while munching on a KFC while watching Corrie. Do I need to say any more? (don’t answer that)
Quinnbeat, we were also hunters, skillful hunters and one thing that sets us apart from everything else.
It's called a brain...
The way in which the Military are trained if in confrontations with Dogs is to pull the two front legs away from eachother, this punctures the dog's heart.
Humans have fear, which would be the only downfall in this situation.
A chimpanzee would kill most dogs if it were in the wild for god sake.
The can exert every once of strength and agility in capturing prey several times their size.
Dogs hunt in packs, here we are talking about a single confrontation. Also you are completely wrong. Dogs are domestic animals. They have not evolved to hunt over millions of years. They have lost the knowledge of how to hunt and are very inefficent in doing so. You are actually compleltly wrong quinnbeast.
Im not a "Net Kiddie" see here (http://forums.wireplay.co.uk/showthread.php3?threadid=278394) being as it seems to apply to you too.
Im a active and pritty fit person, with alot of stamina. I used to be a cross country runner for various school, I use mountain bikes, I play football, tenis and badminton.
Sicknote
20-05-2002, 19:16
Originally posted by Geforce
Im a active and pritty fit person, with alot of stamina. I used to be a cross country runner for various school, I use mountain bikes, beat up Bears and Rhinos, I play football, play tenis and badminton, and wrestle aggressive Dogs for fun.
:o
A labradour is just as physicaly able to kill a young child than a german sheaperd. Actually my own Dog is alot more health and stonger than my fathers, hes carried tree trunk cuttings for about one mile before. He's also scared the **** out of two greyhounds as well. And hes been attacked by two boxers, who werent mixed with other dogs when they were younger.
lol, I should hope most of you are physicaly able to take on an aggressive dog. You best start worrying the next time you walk down your local part if you dont.
Sicknote
20-05-2002, 19:35
Geforce > Gentle Ben
So how did you know I could kill a bear then? You never seen mad australian men wrestling crocodiles???? You think a human cant wrestle a dog??? ffs.. LOL
ffs i rest my case.. coz my fingers are hurting, that no i aint been sticking them up my dogs ar$e. bibi
Sicknote
20-05-2002, 19:37
Geforce > 'Santas Little Helper' from the Simpsons.
Quinnbeast
20-05-2002, 19:49
Geforce. Have you tried to wrestle a trained police dog or a large aggressive dog that was trying to bite you?
Sicknote
20-05-2002, 19:52
Originally posted by Geforce
ffs i rest my case.. coz my fingers are hurting, that no i aint been sticking them up my dogs ar$e. bibi
Fingers are sore yet you can wrestle all Dogs into submission?
Keyboard > Geforce > Simba from the Lion King
Ladywarrior
20-05-2002, 19:54
just shoot the f***ing thing :rolleyes:
Gefarce is truely hysterical.
Quinnbeast
20-05-2002, 20:06
I've sussed it out. Geforce is non other than...
...Paul Hogan! It all makes sense! I loved the way you took on those 2 guard dogs in Crocodile Dundee m8. Stirling work.
Can you mail me your autograph?
~Dear Old Granny~
20-05-2002, 20:14
Stop being so f'ing stupid, this is just what mentalists talk about while they're sniffing glue and drinking Thunderbird.
Anyway, just for the record, you want to know how to kill a police attack dog, Sellotape a sprig of Parsley to its head and throw a hungry Korean at it.
Where's me washboard?
Ave you seen it Missus? Or has that German Shepherd washed its pants with it?
I've seen you wrapping up rubber bones when it isn't Fido's birthday, I've seen yer.....
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 20:24
Funniest thread I've read in many months, thanks for that ge. I think there's a phrase that applies to his ramblings.
Theory and practice are both the same in theory. In practice, they are not.
Now, I'm sure that Ge could give an award winning speech on how to batter an agitated Mike Tyson (say, after you've stolen his cream egg) that could possibly work, but isn't really plausible. In practice, old mikey would beat you into a bloody pulp, 99% of people would (and should) agree with this.
Fact is, when push comes to shove.... you're going to fall down and then be shredded by a rather vicious dog. Now I'm sure just because you've retrieved a stone from your (apparently rather soppy) dog's mouth and studied the physical attributes and reflexes of dogs this makes you a perfect candidate to tell us how to defeat a savage, trained and vicious alsatian, but I somehow doubt it.
Please go back to your dream world, either that or tell me how I'm going to deal with my mike tyson + cream egg situation.
Once again...
Theory and practice are both the same in theory. In practice, they are not.
Well defrag, after all your only a skinny little ginger twit, I would expect you to kill a dog anyway.
Fact is if you know how you can kill a dog very very easily. Just you can kill a human.
[TGC]Snow
20-05-2002, 20:47
isn't defrag 6'5 or something?
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 20:54
Yeah I am pretty skinny, 6"6 and about 12 and a half stone, need to beef up a little. :)
Geforce, I'll spell this out for you. You're an i-d-i-o-t.
[DW]LoneGun
20-05-2002, 20:58
I have found this thread ****ing hilarious, but the comment about fighting bears owns the dog ones.
I was bitten by a dog when i was younger, he tore most of my calf off.
your talking utter BS geforce, total and utter !
Utter pish? It's like telling me that if I punched upwards on your chin hard enough you wouldn't die. Dogs are easily disabled, especially if you damage their legs. It's not utter pish, you are told how to end a dogs life in the military. Do you ever fu<king listen and take anything in for once?
Being bitten is very painful, but you jus screamed and told whoever to get it off you... thats not what im talking about.
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 21:37
Ge, do you speak from experience (the experience of being attacked by a police dog, not pulling a stone out of your docile mutt's gob) or are you just speaking theoretically?
Answer yes or no please, nothing else.
Whos speaking about theory? I've stated the facts on how to kill a dog and exploit it's weak points.. I would have no problem killing one if thats what you want to know?
When dogs attack they Frenzy... It takes a small move to puncture its heart, were you not aware?
lol ge
nice points :P
but fact is youd be too scared to even think straight
its liek, when you get bitten by a shark the idea idd to push your arm or whatever FURTHER in and that makes it realse you, then hit it on the nose really hard
how many people would be thinkign stright enough and have the balls to atually do it ?!
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 21:45
You've just answered my question... you've never tried this, you can't possibly know how easy / possible it would be to fend off a TRAINED alsatian.
Thanks for attempting to sidestepping the yes/no.
If you punch Mike Tyson upwards at the base of his nose, it'll pierce his brain! I AM TEH_CLEVAR. I haven't actually tried this but I'm sure I'm right.
Cheers, I'm done.
comparing a shark too a dog?
the bit about bottle/ballz is my whole point, if you had the bottle to do it then you can easily kill a dog. There is no question, you just have to do it. A dog bite is a painful experience, but I'm not foolish enough to sit there and let it bite me. I would kill the thing, not whimper and cry. Humans can kill humans, dogs can kill humans, humans can kill dogs... I dont understand why you lot think your a pyhsicaly weaker than a dog, because your not. We have teeth too, we can bite through flesh too... there isnt a doubt about it tbh..
Originally posted by Defragmentor
You've just answered my question... you've never tried this, you can't possibly know how easy / possible it would be to fend off a TRAINED alsatian.
Thanks for attempting to sidestepping the yes/no.
If you punch Mike Tyson upwards at the base of his nose, it'll pierce his brain! I AM TEH_CLEVAR. I haven't actually tried this but I'm sure I'm right.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why did you just repeat what I said? Puncing hard enough in the jaw has the same effect you fool. I Know if you do the Right things you can kill (not fend off) a dog. An gsheaperd is trained to restrain you and not kill you, therefor would be easier to kill than a normal dog because It would be more reluctant to actually viciously attack you...
Cheers for talking about all the wrong things.. eheh.. fool
When I was 12 a German Sheperd took a lunge at me. Just one bite and as he was lunging his owner was already pulling back on his lead.
Took a fist size lump out of my back AND the corner of my shoulder blade. Sorry, let me just restate that for the record. With one bite and someone yanking back on its lead it bit through a reasonably thick bone in my body and then sat there looking pleased with itself. *
Yes, it is possible for someone to kill a dog if its one on one..... you just have to be impossibly lucky or wearing enough padding so you dont care. Basically, if you picture a German Sheperd (trained or not) then the fight will go something like this.
The dog runs towards you
If you are facing away it will go for what ever is closest. Be that your butt or your arm
It will bite into your arm, get a good grip and start tugging you backwards (towards it)
You will either get tugged along with it or head towards it (to try and "deal with it")
You will fall over
The dog will maul you
OR You're facing it and the dog runs towards you
The dog will leap at your throat, it weighs approx 3/4 of what you do and the momentum will push you over
The dog mauls you
or....
The dog barks at you
You beat your manly chest and yodell at it like Tarzan
The dog runs at you and grabs your arm
You say "Muwhaha, is that the best you can do. You might have teeth but I have evolution on my side"
You ignore the blood pouring out of your arm and the dog tugging at you, reach over and grab its tail.
You rip off said tail and proceed to whip the mutt with the soggy end.
The dog holds very very still while you whip it, according to some natural instinct in these matters.
The dog runs away with its tail betweens its leg (after you've stuck it where the sun doesnt shine) whimpering.
You roar your proclaimation as KING of the jungle.
From experience I know that....
Dogs have MUCH faster reactions than humans.
Any medium sized dog has a skull approximately three times as thick as a humans (so any kick that you could connect wont faze it....but you cant anway because its fast enough to catch your foot)
Yes, you could probably damage its legs if you crept up behind it and it didnt notice.
Yes you can use your weight to pin it down if it wasnt pulling away from you by instinct.
Yes, dogs are designed as pack animals. However packs cant function if even ONE animal is injured in every ten kills. Therefore they are designed to inflict MASSIVE damage in a short space of time.
Yes, you can kill a dog by seperating its front legs and so crushing its heart. However this will only ever work if you can catch it as it lunges at your throat in a frontal attack AND hold it off of your neck long enough to live.
Sorry mate, its never going to happen in a zillion years.
You haven't stated anything I don't already know.
erm, so i've said its virtually (but not actually) impossible to do what you're claiming you do regularly on a Saturday night and you're saying you already know?
Damn, if this is all a wind up im going to wee my pants :P
~Dear Old Granny~
20-05-2002, 22:07
Dear All,
I have decided that my job is too risky, and I wish it to be known that from now on I only want to visit sick children in hospital
Love,
Cujo XXX
Bark Bark!
Quinnbeast
20-05-2002, 22:11
GeForce, since you obviously don't have any personal experience in the matter (you'd have stated so by now if you had) then it doesn't matter how much you try and convince anyone that what you're talking about is possible under any real circumstances. These “facts” of yours don’t account for sh*t. It’s that simple.
And for my next trick, I will grapple with a Polar Bear whist writing an essay on “how to admit that I may not have an all-encompassing knowledge on current topics of interest”.
Lt. Sex Machine
20-05-2002, 22:16
Jesus you lot make Crocodile Dundee look like an amateur Gerbil Wrestler.
Have any of you kicked a grizzly bear in the knackers just to see what would happen?
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 22:19
No, but I have a theory about what would happen you FOOL.
Flomotion
20-05-2002, 22:23
if you tried to hit mike tyson hard enough to push his jaw into his face or whetever it does you would probably just end up breaking your hand.
Then he would bite it off.
Defragmentor
20-05-2002, 22:26
Nah, it's a FACT that it could be done!
Nothing could ever go wrong surely? :rolling:
/me gets popcorn
This is one of the best threads. Ever............................................................. ................................................................ EVER.
It should be made into book form!
/me eats popcorn
[TGC]Snow
20-05-2002, 23:17
Actually I've killed a dog before.
I had a bright orange windball (as used for cricket) in my pocket.
The dog (a pitbull alsatian mastiff miniature poodle crossbreed) lept at me after its owner lost control of the dog in my local park. Although the dog was behind me, I heard it leap and sensed danger. I turned and pulled the windball out of my pocket. As the dog was at the peak of its jump I THREW the windball back over the dog's head.
Except i didn't really throw it, I held on to it. A classic trick. As the dog turned to try and work out where the ball had gone, I ripped my left arm off and beat the dog into a coma before pulling its two rear legs apart, splitting its anus. Then realising my mistake I pulled its two front legs apart and killed it.
Then, remembering my army training, I re-attached my arm, using a discarded (yet still burning) cigarette to quarterize the wound.
It was quite easy really
And then you took your new found skills to reap revenge on the dogs immediate family...slaughtering evry last one of them, teaching them never to mess qith a gefarce again.
dr.flexyjerkoff
20-05-2002, 23:35
on the subject of beating up dogs.
http://www.robrob8.com/dl3_movies/kickdog2.zip
most will have seen it b4
Fluffy Bunny Feet
20-05-2002, 23:51
Snow, that is the funniest thing I have read in ages.
ps. I have been trained to kill a hamster by sucking its brain out with a straw
rofl aye it's class, still laughing when thinking about it now :laugh:
Sicknote
20-05-2002, 23:58
I wrestle with my 14 stone Bullmastiff (called Sammy) all the time. I must say that he owns me every time - he's just too damn strong.
Mind you. I'm only 13 stone and benchpress beyond my bodyweight regularly, I'm just a weed ;p
Tom. You still got that picture of my Dog?
None of you think a human can kill a dog? What planet are you lot on ?
Sicknote
21-05-2002, 00:29
Yes. I think I could kill a dog in theory. I could kill an Elephant by biting his member off with my teeth and a pair of scissors, but it would be a tad difficult ;P
Would you like it spelt out AGAIN?
I'm happy to believe that Bruce Lee, given the right training and instructions in the ancient korean art of dog mofo'ing could have a german shephard, but what i'm saying is that placed in the ring with a trained Police attack dog, IT WOULD RIP YOU A NEW AR£EHOLE!!!!
Yes, a trained police dog is trained not to kill you but to restrain you by holding onto your arm with its teeth and not letting go.
Pump my body full of cocain, you think then I'll drag it towards me and beat the **** out of it. :-)
No, then it'd sniff you before making you a new ar£ehole.
Umm, only you'd pull your boxers down and let it lick your crack aye?
Rex_Omar
21-05-2002, 00:43
top
Uh no, i imagine if a police dog was set on me i'd run...then end up in a heap on the floor with its teeth in my arm...much like you would.
~Dear Old Granny~
21-05-2002, 08:17
I also killed a dog once.
Nightime, they say that Satan's followers come out on nights like these. The steel breeze cut cruelly into me and as fear gripped my soul, tightening its grip - It was there in the shadows.
Yellow eyes flashed insanely at me, The Beast's head flicked towards me and it bared its teeth - For one instant we were both afraid, wary, deadly - ready to strike.
The hulking figure moved far quicker than I had expected, a muscular killing machine, on the attack. He was quick, and I was too slow.
Too slow in fact to hit the brake pedal in time, Fido did his best to psyche me out by giving the radiator of my car a Glaswegian Kiss, but as quickly as he had appeared in front of me, he did a Jackie Chan back flip into a hedge.
The front of my car was pretty smashed up, and the the radiator grill was full of dog chips. I didn't bother with an insurance claim beacuse I hadn't been driving long - And the police told me the dog's owner was liable for the damage anyway.
Providing - I go back and find the dog and get the owner's details off his collar. Yuh right - I'm going ot wander up and down at three in the morning looking for a dead dog in a hedge, I had enough of it stuck in my car to feed a Korean family for a month. God bless pressure cleaners.
As Ali G says - Boshintang! Aii!
So my advice if you're ever attacked by a fierce dog, get in your car and run it over. Worked for me.
:dog: + Car = :skull:
[TGC]Snow
21-05-2002, 13:54
lol, yet more evidence to back up Geforce's claims!
Anyone see Bunny trying to outrun and get a police dog off him in Jackass ?
Ok he was in a massive Rabbit costume but they dog totally owned him. I think if everyone thats replied to this thread chipped in a tenner or so we could organise it for Ge to fight a German Shepherd :)
Place bets now !
Funny thread, not how I thought it would go but one of the best laughs I have had on here in ages :laugh:
lol its not funny its true!
I'd kill one the same way in which the military are told to kill them :*)
Sicknote
21-05-2002, 16:30
YEAH I USED TO GET THAT FORTNIGHTLY 'IN COMBAT' PUBLICATION TOO!111
IT SHOWED ME HOW TO KILL AN ARMY OF SEPRATIST REBELS IN THE JUNGLE WITH A PAIR OF BOXING GLOVES AND A PACKET OF KLEENEX. I READ IT AND AM CONVINCED I CAN OWN TEH COMMIES AS A RESULT!11
It comes with a handy pullout suppliment explaining the plethora of combat uses a small miniture plastic duck can have.
So really this is yet another Special Olympics race, no matter who comes in first your all still gonna be retards. 0_o
[WiZ]Prodigy
12-05-2003, 02:55
Dude, you ressurected a 1 year old post. Why?
Defragmentor
12-05-2003, 02:56
So really this is yet another Special Olympics race, no matter who comes in first your all still gonna be retards. 0_oYou're*
Sicknote
12-05-2003, 12:10
Jesus.
And Snake. Pay attention to Defrag's correction. It will help you when you're trying to be smart in the future.
Amourdia
12-05-2003, 12:37
The irony in what he posted is...delicious.
SNAK!1
Originally posted by Spritey
Personally one issue that's spangle me off royally lately is this whole building of distension centres for asylum seekers,
Roooooooooofl!
Comedy typos :E
Fluffy Bunny Feet
12-05-2003, 12:52
You've completely lost me there, old post and ??
Distension really ought to be a word!
ParaSitius
12-05-2003, 15:11
I know some people can be late in having a say on these boards, but a whole year?
Good grief.
Originally posted by -SnAkE-
So really this is yet another Special Olympics race, no matter who comes in first your all still gonna be retards. 0_o
This is a phrase that, while at first is funny, has slowly become more annoying.
Snake vs. Stephen Hawking - now who's the retard?
Im not flaming u geforce, but once this dog has probably bitten ur arm, uve used ur l33t skills to get it off + kill it, isn't there gunna be some 6ft policeman walking up behind u you with a massive f*ck off truncheon? Or is that just me that thinks that?......oh well :P
-Slippeh
oh and PS f*cking great thread, many lauhs have been shared :P
yeah you tell him slippeh!
Defrag that was a deliberate mistake to see what twat would correct me first
i made you type that. :p
And of course Stephen Hawkins is a retard, does the little computer voice box and his cheery facial expression not give it away?!
He's physically diabled.
But mentally more powerful than you. But then again, a snowball in a hot oven has more mental perception than you.
please dont top year old posts for no reason :{
I'm keeping it topped to annoy capt. angst over there.
I think he did it because he thought of something witty to say.
hehe Capt. angst :)
I came across the link for this page last night, after reading something like 9 pages I replied. big deal?
So anyways what age are you ref? You always seem have something snappy to say mr anger management? :P
I'd like to request this post be closed.
No real reason but that seems to close posts these days.
It might be a year old but there are a few new replies now. It might prove interesting ?!?!?!
Mr.Wh1te
12-05-2003, 18:27
But why give people from another country, a home, place to eat and sleep until they've had there hearing...
Because we aren't sociopaths. We are human and have hearts and a sense of moral obligation.
Sure they have problems in there own country, but that doesn't necessarily becomes Britain’s problem.
You obviously are a sociopath.
Toss em out of there ear i say, back to your own sodding country and stop wasting our money and patients.
Well your stupidity is amusing (wasting our patients, rofl) but your ignorance is worrying.
I mean how are we to know they aren't murders escaping punishment from there own soil?
The principle of innocent until proven guilty. Democracy doesn't work properly without it. Maybe the media don't practice it, maybe the police don't sometimes, but it is written into the laws and the legal system so at least to some extent it applies.
I know you think your heartlessness makes you some kind of great forward thinker, but really you're just being nasty for the sake of it and talking a lot of crap at the same time
Agreed 100%, I couldn't have put it better. Excellent point.
are we suppose to loosen our rules and give easier access to more violent people just to lessen the time the innocent spend in a warm place.
When pressed hard enough few would not be violent. You're absolutely desper