Osp

[BBW]

Any reason why you don't use OSP on your servers?

[[COMIX]VaMpIrE]

nope :)

[[qbb]Jackal]

lo wolfie
hoping to on the tdm and ffa server soon !
dont see any reason to change the dm6-only server atm.
watch this space

[BBW]

Hi m8y,
I'm just saying that without Punkbuster or OSP (at the very least OSP) you are leaving yourselves open for abuse, and I for one am very paranoid these days on these types of servers. Your server is great fun btw, but PB & OSP gives the admins much more control overy nasty things. :)

[[qbb]Jackal]

No question about punkbuster, I totally agree and it will be done early in the new year - that is, once I find out all the ins and outs of it.

Ive seen lots of ppl having trouble with pb enabled servers, getting kicked with 0 cvar violations etc. etc. and dont want to enable it before I know how to sort out the common problems.

As for osp, a lot of the dm6 players simply don't have it.
But as i said it will be put on the other two servers asap.
And the dm6 will no doubt eventually follow suit.

[Black Angel]

Wouldn't bother putting osp on, killed the BY FFA server, stick pinkybusty on tho and hope ppl don't have probs :)

[kirkeh2]

Punkbuster has solved nothing and created all sorts of hassle's, even for hardened q3 players. I know it has certain Admin type benefits but its been a pain in the ass ever since it was released.
I had the 'invalid CDkey' blip on OSP servers this week, for no obvious reason and only on certain servers, I just deleted all my cfg's and started form scratch to resolve the problem.
I was playing Urban Terror last night on a PB enabled server and a guy was using the latest OGC bot and even advertising it using a script of some sort and its whereabouts on the net :/
So it seems PB has long since been consigned to the bin as far as cheat protection is concerned.

Kirk out

[[qbb]Jackal]

It seems whatever the punkbuster guys come up with the cheaters are always one step ahead.
But this is only gonna happen for so long before they move their attentions elsewhere, imagine having to download a new patch for your bot every week or so, you'd soon get fed up. admittedly ppl are doing just that but the game is a few years old now and as long as the pb guys are making it difficult for the cheats to get away with it the number of cheaters will dwindle with time.

Tbh we dont get much of a problem with cheats on the WP Q3 servers, but they do come along occasionally and I can't always be around to remove them, also with most other servers enabling it you gotta wonder where the cheats are going to end up?
I've just done a quick survey of pb enabled servers in ASE and about 40% off all q3 servers currently have it enabled.
I think its going to be best to enable it on the TDM or FFA server first and roll it out from there.

As for the OSP issue, the TDM server defiantely needs it, as TDM without OSP is just plain wrong.
The FFA server, im open to suggetions on.
And the DM6-Only server is staying as baesq3 for the forseeable future.

[Black Angel]

pb on ffa isn't a big deal really, lots of ppl have probs lots of ppl don't.

keep osp away from dm6 tho imo :E

[NiTr0]

Should be enabled imo, may make them think twice. ::E

[BBW]

Well, it's not often I see players score 35 in 3 minutes with 6 people playing on a server on DM6. Your servers are popular, I only hope they aint full of the types who can't get a game on practically any other server due to OSP/PB doing at least SOMETHING to prevent unfair play.

[BBW]

Also, as far as OSP is concerned, I argued the case against OSP FFA for about a year until I gave in due to the fact that there really isn't ANY reason not to enable it apart from the fact that newbies need to download another patch, which seeing as Q3 is over 3 years old, isnt really an issue tbh. So, the question isn't 'Why?', it's 'Why not?' :)

[Black Angel]

Why not? Because at that other server place (the name escapes me :P ) osp was put on the ffa server and now its hardly used. Was always full all night. Not just newbies (really hate that word anyway) who couldn't be bothered to download it.

Anyway dm6 is staying osp free so that's good :)

[BBW]

Why? Explain.. Is it because you are afraid of change? OSP changes only some things that can be turned off, like cool stats, pro mode models (very cool), enemy models (very useful) and best of all (for admins) extremely useful controls such as REF which allows you to restart games, kick unruly players, change settings on the fly without resorting to rcon, and loads more. So far, the only reason NOT to use it is because Blueyonder does and thier servers are now (pretty much) empty, but I don't think (in fact I know for a fact) that this has nothing to do with OSP.

[enekron]

Maybe not enough people play on it/want OSP to warrant it's install. Seems to be much more people playing other games apart from Q3... Personally I think OSP is essential for TDM/CTF/1v1 etc but I'm not too bothered about FFA.

/me waves

[C@rn@g3]

/timescale 100 to sort out the cd key thing for punkbuster.


NOW THEN!

[[qbb]Jackal]

I think I've changed my mind about 4 times since the start of this thread. :P

As I see it the only server thats really in question is the FFA server, which atm is pretty quiet anyway, so adding OSP to it isn't gonna lose any interest.

What we got to lose? the DM6-Only server will always be there for a non OSP FFA. And if it doesnt work out after a trial period of say 3/4 months it can easily be changed back again or to another mod/stlye.

The timescale thingy I take it that is client side ?? ortherwise it would be a really really quick game.

Nice to see some life in the forum. keep it up.

Black Angel u play under that name too ?

[Ax]

I agree with you Jackal, I think the correct response is to leave the servers alone, the WP servers are busy suggesting that people who don't want to be bothered downloading OSP can just pick up and get a game (which is what FFA is about).

It is also possible that if these people don't know/care about OSP that they also don't know/care about OGC either, so leave it alone it never worked (ie it never brought more players) on the BY servers and it won't improve things here either.

*** Personally I think OSP is essential for TDM/CTF/1v1 etc but I'm not too bothered about FFA. *** Posted by enekron. I agree with this totally.

The game being out for more than three years has nothing to do with it either, I still see *busy* servers using the ASE with version 1.17 of Q3!

[Black Angel]

Originally posted by BBW
Why? Explain.. Is it because you are afraid of change?
lol...no. I like OSP, has it's place in leagues and public tdm/ctf/1v1 as enek and ax say



cool stats, pro mode models (very cool), enemy models (very useful) and best of all (for admins) extremely useful controls such as REF which allows you to restart games, kick unruly players, change settings on the fly without resorting to rcon, and loads more.
Apart from the admin stuff the rest isn't needed for ffa really.



So far, the only reason NOT to use it is because Blueyonder does and thier servers are now (pretty much) empty, but I don't think (in fact I know for a fact) that this has nothing to do with OSP. I just find it strange how, before osp was put on, the server was full all night, then slowly after osp put on, ppl started to leave, maybe it was cos of the better players who came along after osp was put on.


I just re-entered my key for the "invalid key" msg or whatever it was, same thing or different?


Jackal, don't use this name cos it's not v good :) Change it depending how I feel, been using sumo recently, but haven't been on the past week

[BBW]

lol, Ax rears his sad old head to disagree with me as per usual :)

I think you are right Black Angel, people don't want OSP because it will attract a better standard of player therefore they might get found out. Good point.

btw Ax, **** off :)

[BBW]

Also, to quote Enekron;

"Personally I think OSP is essential for TDM/CTF/1v1 etc but I'm not too bothered about FFA"

This suggests that he doesn't care either way, he's not bothered about FFA, meaning he doesn't PLAY FFA, so he hasn't really added his opinion, so if Ax agrees, he doesn't really count either.

[[qbb]Jackal]

lol

[enekron]

Yeah, I'm neither way on this. Still, I figured out an OSP server once. It can't be that hard ;o

[ange1eyes]

So did the ffa (apart from dm6) servers get osp or not? Despite what was said above, putting osp on those other servers didnt kill them off - they were more used if anything (until half of the regulars gave up q3 that was :/)

[[qbb]Jackal]

no OSP yet im afraid :(
:bigcry:
gonna have to hang tight for a little while.

[Shardik]

Dont bother wiv it Jackal..... we can always use the BY servers if we want a crap game...;)

[DDT DESTRUCT]

OSP is essential for the TDM server imo, not really bothered about the FFA servers though, probably best left as they are as most probably don't have OSP.

q3p.flamey