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[COMIX]VaMpIrE
13-02-2003, 00:10
well as some of you know the great god amok has made his presence felt in #wirplay by takeing back his chanel
after a year and a half in his nice new home of BY
[11:58] amok` (~amok@194.117.135.141) joined #wireplay.
[11:58] #wireplay: mode change '+o amok`' by Q!TheQBot@CServe.quakenet.org
[11:58] <amok`> hello
[11:58] <amok`> welcome to my channel
[11:58] #wireplay: mode change '-oooo BreathServer Breath|zzZZzz FiReServer Haitch' by amok`!~amok@194.117.135.141
[11:59] #wireplay: mode change '-o Razz' by amok`!~amok@194.117.135.141
[11:59] Action: amok` giggles
yes its his chanel as hes so plainly put it
[13:59] <amok`> cos wireplay has been sold
[13:59] <amok`> to people that i have no love for
[13:59] <RedTwo> i realised that amok`
[13:59] <RedTwo> lol
[13:59] <amok`> so i am here to restore order to my channel
[13:59] <RedTwo> what u mean?
[13:59] <Nor> :)
[13:59] <amok`> this is my channel
so hes come back to claim his chan what a good little man .
[14:00] <amok`> i didnt bother cos raz tk was still working here
[14:00] <amok`> who used to be work mates
[14:01] <Necr0^Work> so your throwing the community away
[14:01] <amok`> and i agreed to let them run it for wireplay
[14:01] <amok`> out of the goodness of my heart
[14:01] <Necr0^Work> everything that the rest of us r working for
[14:01] <amok`> do you have a problem with that?
[14:01] <[do3]ArcticFox> yeah
[14:01] <amok`> i am not throwing anythign away
[14:01] <[do3]ArcticFox> your blueyonder scum stopping wireplay having its own community room
[14:01] <amok`> the owners of wireplay did that for me
strange i allway thought he left to go to BY
takeing most of the w/p community's with them and "****ing" on a lot of them from a great hight
[14:02] <amok`> no im am the owner of this room and i am not giving it to some faceless coperation that sack an dont employ ex workmates
[14:02] <Necr0^Work> amok the rest of us still help out, eg im CS comm liaison, and we all hate what they are doing to razz, unem and haitch but we still need to get on with it
if thats the case then wtf did you leave it open for so long G/P did a lot worse
once a humpty-dumpty allways a tardis
[14:07] <amok`> at the end of the day i dont care what you think this has nothing to do with me or my job
[14:07] <amok`> i created this channel
[14:07] <[do3]ArcticFox> then go away and leave it be?
[14:07] <amok`> no cos this is my channel
[14:07] <[do3]ArcticFox> <amok`> at the end of the day i dont care what you think this has nothing to do with me or my job
[14:07] <Necr0^Work> "this has nothing to do with me" you said it right there amok`
[14:07] <Necr0^Work> it doesnt have anything to do with u now
[14:07] <amok`> and i will not leave it be so that some faceless isp can make money out of my chan without employing people that have put so much of their time in
[14:07] <amok`> eg razz
[14:07] <[do3]ArcticFox> i appreciate that
all of us feel bad that two of the most respected ppl in the community have been laid off but this action is both childish and a direct attack on every community that has been built by "us".
all the cl's the admins the players have put work into "wireplay" and now you and your BY cronies are ****ing all over it
well done m8 wireplay number two cheese3d by you
flame away
I'm not taking sides here. But if you are wanting to please read the entire set of logs before commenting.
http://central.wireplay.co.uk/docs/amok.txt
There is method to his madness.
Muff-Hunter
13-02-2003, 00:37
what a selfish tosser
Just to explain, although this sounds REALLY cheesey, it's my intention to run #wireplay for the community with whoever helps the community.
Hence the current topic ;)
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
13-02-2003, 01:07
you know i have no problem with that razz its just the way it was done and by who rember hes ****ed us over before
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 02:09
Don't talk bloody nonsense. You can't blame someone for taking a good career-minded decision. In hindsight, the ex-WP guys leaving to work for BY was a damn good move.
Maybe if Gameplay didn't **** them over, they'd still be here, and perhaps so would Gameplay eh?
And if you want to misquote, [COMIX]VaMpIrE, I'll add two lines onto the end of your first quote block:
[11:59] <FiReServer> lo amok :|
[11:59] #wireplay: mode change '+o Razz' by amok`!~amok@194.117.135.141
I'd feel extremely aggrieved if I was still a community member here, to see Wireplay dumped on yet again, but if you'd like to be angry at someone, direct that anger at ArenaTek, not amok.
Vampire kindly get your facts straight, you only make yourself look like an idiot tbh.
The guys who ran wireplay, amok, babyharpseal, drilla, stikky and velvet in the olden days WERE wireplay, together with the CLs / CCs / etc. I fail to understand how they moving to blueyonder shat on wireplay from a great height? which you seem to imply. Wireplay is a name, it was the name for a gsp ran by the above five, the officials and the community. It was in fact, ArenaTek that shat on THEM from a great height.
This is in no way meant with any offence to Razz, Unem etc who took over the Wireplay name and did a fantastic job considering what they were up against but please get your facts straight before posting drivel.
Did you know that the ex-wireplay staff guys were unpaid towards the end for quite a considerable time? What would you do in a situation like that? Considering they couldn't take it over themselves they did the next best thing, and started up another gaming service somewhere else where they were / are supported by the people that 'own' them, and they have people above them actually interested in the gaming service developing further, something they never had at Wireplay with Arenatek.
All you people that are slagging all the people that migrated over to blueyonder, consider what you'd do in the same situation and then come back with some reasoned replies other than..
what a selfish tupennce-ha'penny
Get the sodding facts straight before you start mouthing off and try reading the full log rather than parts of it, you might understand more.
Tim.
I bet that chatlog would look great on his CV.
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
13-02-2003, 09:56
maybe you should ask him where the Q2 and UT and various other communities are Qui
Remember your not the only one that was there at the take over of arenatek or don’t you Remember what was promised to all the communities by velvet and amok then we got shat on from a great height
as for reading the log i did what you seem to be missing is the point amok came in to a well established channel and took back what was his.
fine no ones saying its not his its the way he's done it with no regard once again for the existing community's.
imho it has fuk all to do with him stay in BY this community dosn't need this once again how can he be doing this for w/p with one hand and destroying everything we've worked hard for with the other hand ?
Ladywarrior
13-02-2003, 10:07
hmm ive read the log of the chats and it says that ops and voice etc will be given to those who help the community, the Wireplay community, so what does Velvet, Amok etc have to do with Wireplay community anymore?
Im not saying Amok isnt right in what he has done just like many others don't understand why the Blueyonder people seem to have got involved in this!!!
It seems more like a grudge from ex-employees rather than a community decision which is wrong, im not saying you shouldnt be angry at the way you have been treated but dont say this is something for the community when it is purely something personal.
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
13-02-2003, 10:46
now i rember why i love you so much Ladywarrior you've just hit the nail on the head :)
wow, the stupidity in this thread is amazing
I think razz and amok are doing more for the wireplay community at the moment than firstnet ever will.
Originally posted by Ferg
wow, the stupidity in this thread is amazing
I think razz and amok are doing more for the wireplay community at the moment than firstnet ever will.
I am sorry to say this but I have to agree
there has never been so many ppl in the channel for quite some time.
they seem to be coming out of the woodwork to see what is happening.
All I can say about the whole escapade on the takeover of WP by those who shall remain nameless. is GOOD LUCK
Unem
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
13-02-2003, 12:54
tbh if razz would have dont this i and most others wouldnt have had a problem with it
but its the fact that someone from a Rival GSP has come over and started to piss in our pond
and half the ppl that are in there now are from BY so what diffrence that makes to the chan i'll never know
most of em will get bored and sod off back leaveing us yet again to pick up the pices
Muff-Hunter
13-02-2003, 13:08
i read the whole log and i know he did a lot for wireplay, but the fact of the matter is your all writing off firstnet before its even had a chance, and doing that to the channel was just childish.
If Razz had done this ill agree my reaction wouldnt have been so blunt but the fact is that amok works for blueyonder now.
i dont like that they got rid of the wireplay staff either but if it wasnt finacialy viable to do so can you realy blame them?
I know pigwhistler he used to be in my flf clan way back he runs some decent servers and he will give this everything hes got and then some.
I think everyone should let a few weeks pass and see what goes on before they jump on the damned "wireplays gonna d11333! bangwagon"
It's IRC who gives a f**k?
Reading through the comments here the one that stands out and is complete crap is when amok left he took the wp community with him lol. Sorry to say i left wp a long time before that before i finally ended up at blueyonder to play my games.
The wp community had begun to die well before amok left it due to wp being screwed over by previous owners on a regular basis. Also when the Unreal servers were canned suddenly wp lost a huge part of its existing community then as we all left wp in protest and started gaming elsewhere, that also included a large portion of ut clans who left and played elsewhere as well. That was when the community that was built up began to die off with the way the owners treated the staff and players and not when someone moved to blueyonder to grow something there.
With regards to amok doing what he has to the channel you have to remember the person who sets up the channel in irc has ownership over it and he can do what he sees fit with it. Doesnt matter if hes by or jolt if he owns wireplay channel its his to set up as he likes. Its not the new owners property to come into and use as they see fit its the person who originally set it up.
I agree that the way the people who tried to set wireplay back on the road to rebirth have been treated abysmally. If amok decides to op and voice people in the channel or has someone do it on behalf of wireplay community for those who have tried to get wireplay back to where it was. Rather than the new owners representatives who have yet again screwed over people. Good on him.
This isnt a by vs wireplay situation its more like defending all those before unem, Razz, amok etc who spent time building wireplay up or trying to rebuild it who have through no fault of there own been screwed yet again.
Wireplay had a great community spirit 4-5 years ago at its peak when Unreal was around and UT came out. But due to owners coming and going sacking people for no other reason as they werent their own faces then the whole thing happening again. Is it any wonder some ex employees might feel a tad annoyed.
As i said before this isnt a by vs wireplay situation i started off gaming here and if wireplay makes a comeback then its good for UK gaming as a whole.
But aim your anger at the real people who have crippled wireplay in the past and continue to do so. The people who buy it without being willing to devote the money to make it big again or buying it to try to make a profit. Those are the people who have ruined what once was a great service and community and to unem, Razz etc they have my sympathys that they have lost there jobs for no other reason than they worked for the old owners. If the new owners had any sense they would have kept them onboard as the hard work they have done trying to rebuild wireplay is now wasted. Those coming in will have to win over a community whereas if they had been kept on the community was here ready to move on with them. The community wouldnt feel like yet again good people have been screwed over.
I wish wireplay all the best and hope the new owners treat the name with respect and make it grow and not use it like previous owners have for profit. Also they treat whoever they ask to represent them for games heads, staff online etc with a lot more respect as well.
SCM
daffodil
13-02-2003, 13:15
The whole thing is stupid.
Amok's approach, regardless of his intent, was stupid. As has been said, Razz should have been the one to do it - people (I can't believe I'm saying this) know and respect Razz.
The way people are upset because they've lost their ops/voices (which is what it's all about really) is stupid.
The way the channel and this thread is being visited by people with long-term affiliations with BY simply to stick their oar into the debate is stupid.
To conclude: Stupid.
If this mean that bellend Qui is back in #wireplay with ops, you won't see me in it again.
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by [COMIX]VaMpIrE
maybe you should ask him where the Q2 and UT and various other communities are Qui
As a league master and public admin for BYGames Unreal Tournament, I can honestly say we've got a pretty damn fine community where we are. The publics are very well populated and I personally cannot wait until I play on our subscriber servers.
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 13:37
Originally posted by Ronaldo
If this mean that bellend Qui is back in #wireplay with ops, you won't see me in it again.
Whoa, inflammatory, lemme fetch the extinguisher...
Muff-Hunter
13-02-2003, 13:42
lo synbios m8! aint seen you for a while :)
Lt. Sex Machine
13-02-2003, 13:43
Amok no longer works for or represents Wireplay.
Razz no longer works for or represents Wireplay.
Wireplay does not own the IRC channel.
Hence, they may do anything they like with it but neither of them have any moral right whatsoever to go on some crusade because their 'services' were no longer required.
Personally I wouldn't cross the street to say hello to either of them, Amok I used to have respect for, Razz I have never had respect for as I know too much about his dirty laundry (ooo, tempt me).
You've lost your jobs you got other jobs, big deal it happens to people all the time and most seem to be able to cope without trying to cause problems in their wake. If either of you have got the a*se because you had to go out and get proper jobs where you actually have to do work for a living then tough sh*t, you had your easy life.
If you have a problem with the way Firstnet operate at least be men about it and talk to the management there, don't p*ss all over their customers and claim you have right to anything, because, believe me you do not.
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 13:44
Lo Muff :)
It's been an age hasn't it since we played Planetarion in the Wireplay galaxy? I've moved twice since then! :eek: :)
Muff-Hunter
13-02-2003, 13:46
lol!
well i finaly got broadband saturday so u may see me pottering about the UT servers if i can find my cd:D
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 13:49
I got ADSL in July but now I've moved again and am on ntl:home 600k. And 4 weeks later they decide to cap it... grrrrrrrrr... :(
Which UT servers? ;)
Muff-Hunter
13-02-2003, 13:51
anyone i can connect to ;) nah wireplay probs
[JEDI]Synbios
13-02-2003, 13:57
Hope to see you on the servers soon :)
/me pauses and wonders if they'll be castrated for deviating somewhat from the topic and being jovial ;)
Neophyte
13-02-2003, 14:23
Originally posted by Ronaldo
If this mean that bellend Qui is back in #wireplay with ops, you won't see me in it again.
Ronaldo, having initially flamed amok for what he did, I see now that he has good intentions at heart, Amok and Razz have allowed key people at Wireplay to have ops back to help run the channel for the community. If Firstnet want any power in there they will be forced to earn it. This will help us to ensure they do things with the good intentions of wireplay at heart, not for the intentions of themselves.
Synbios, its nice to see you posting on the wireplay boards again, we all miss you lot over in #wput and I will be keeping in touch with Morba etc over at blueyonder. If things do go pearshaped (again) the intention is to move the current wireplay UT admins over to by, then I will probably go my seperate ways. Probably with Unem and Razz, two people who I hold a lot of respect for.
I am waiting to see how the Firstnet deal pans out though before I make any decisions. Wireplay was my first gaming home from Unreal 1 onwards and its the love of wireplay that keeps me here. I've had various run ins with Qui Velvet and amok over the years, however Qui and velvet are actually quite cool once you get to know them. Amok I still have reservations for as he has never responded in a good way to anything I've ever had to say. Razz tells me he is actually quite cool though and I trust Razz's judgement.
It seems very few people have a proper understanding of the situation.
Neophyte
13-02-2003, 15:34
Thats probably because we dont really know whats going on. I have spoken to Firstnet and told them my requirements and what I need from them in order to continue to rebuild the community over in #wput. They have told me that it should be no problem. However I'm sceptical about the whole thing at present mainly due to the curse that seems to surround Wireplay, I wont believe they can deliver untill I actually see them deliver. The new owners have got off to the worst start possible, from this point on they need to get better, before there isn't a wireplay to rebuild.
If they do deliver and support us the way we need to be supported, then I'm sure myself and others will stay and fulfil our original dreams when we joined/came back to wireplay, and bring Wireplay back to the front of British Gaming. The whole Unem and Razz episode has left a seriously bad taste in everybodys mouth, and Firstnet will have to work very hard to recover from that, if indeed it is possible. I'm willing to give them a small chance, to show their intentions and commitments to Wireplay. Only then will I make my decision, at present though I'm not particularly confident in their abilities. I have been wrong in the past though and really do hope they prove me wrong on this.
I don't really care Neophyte.
If Qui and Co are back in #wireplay and back at Wireplay on the whole, then I want sod all to do with it. They made their choice a long time ago, they can't just come back and take up their old posts.
The channel is just a channel at the end of the day, so that I don't care as much about. If they have any part in the day to day running of Wireplay then it's an issue.
Spackyonder MK2 = Wireplay in that event.
They're not coming back or retaking their old posts... your not really with it are you..
Neophyte
13-02-2003, 16:50
Ronaldo, they are not coming back and wont be taking up their old posts. They are merely ensuring that #wireplay does not fall into the hands of the wrong people. Myself Breath Fire and Dash along with Razz have ops in there at the moment and I believe the intention is that we look after the room for the good of the wireplay community. If Firstnet want any power in there then they have to earn it. IMO this actually gives us as CLs more power to help ensure Wireplay goes in the right direction. We are all still part of wireplay under Firstnet, I would be very surprised if amok and Qui intervened anymore unless either of us opped in the channel step out of line.
Firstnet have to prove their worth to the community befor ethey would get any ops, this seems to be a good incentive for them, and even then, they would not have full control over it. I do realise the dangers in Blueyonder Officials pulling the strings on the room, but I dont think they would do anything against the community, as this would effectivly give blueyonder bad publicity, something I dont think either amok or Qui would want.
No, I am at work with no IRC access. I am not part of any licky licky bum bum crew either, so have no other info other than the above.
What I don't believe is that these people from BY were taking over the channel to protest against the way WP has treated Razz and co, regardless of what they claim.
powah++
I would doubt "earning ops in #wireplay" is high on Firstnet's priority list.
Ronaldo this has nothing to do with BY in any form it was a decision amok made on his own regarding the channel. As we now hear from Neo amok and Razz have now taken control and have opped and voiced the people Razz feels contributed to wireplay.
Blueyonder had nothing to do with this channel reclaiming it was something amok did on his own for reasons of his own. But protecting the channel for legitamate people who have put into wireplay is a sensible idea to me. As this way the new owners dont own the channel and the true wireplay people ie Razz and others like him can keep the room and the community he helped build back up again.
SCM
Wow old nick :)
#Wppa
what a chan that was untill SNIPER fked it all up cuz we hated him :P
neway
i cant be arsed to type out a long winded reply
BT made wireplay
GP screwed Wireplay
Arenatrek screwed umm some more
amok by this time has had enough of summink that he partly created and ran .. wireplay .. he decides not to let it stand .. takes back what is rightfully his ....
(all my opinion)
Ronaldo, it appears that your 4rse has grown a mouth. Please stop posting here and let the adults discuss it among themselves.
Well I am sure we will see Amok and Qui on the next Queens honours list.
I have my opinion, half of you lot haven't posted around here since BY started up. Now you are all experts. You are all deluded if you really believe this channel take over gives you any power at all over firstnet.
I think what LSM has said pretty much sums it up. If this was anything but an internet business you would be laughed at. Companies go bust, this moral IRC crusade is a farce.
Lt. Sex Machine
13-02-2003, 19:31
Amen, those of us that have been around since the year dot (that includes Ronaldo) do have a very valid opinion however much you guys dismiss it.
Fact is running a GSP is not hard work, plenty of people using these forums could organise something like that standing on their heads I am sure.
I doubt very much that as time moves on these glorified tea-boys will be missed at all to be honest, there is probably a very good reason why Firstnet decided they were going to put one of their own guys in charge. And I agree it was a sound business decision personally, but hey I don't spend all day on IRC bumming around building up a fanbase so what I do know?
Nothing belongs to anybody here, it's only a poxy IRC channel, do you clowns really think keeping hold of a small slice of Quakenet is going to make any difference whatsoever? Do you also use bouncers because you own your IRC nick? Boo f*cking hoo hoo.
Proves one thing to me, people who work in this field are an odd breed and need a reality check.
Mister666
13-02-2003, 20:55
*sigh*
Originally posted by Ronaldo
Well I am sure we will see Amok and Qui on the next Queens honours list.
I have my opinion, half of you lot haven't posted around here since BY started up. Now you are all experts. You are all deluded if you really believe this channel take over gives you any power at all over firstnet.
I think what LSM has said pretty much sums it up. If this was anything but an internet business you would be laughed at. Companies go bust, this moral IRC crusade is a farce.
Originally posted by Lt. Sex Machine
Amen, those of us that have been around since the year dot (that includes Ronaldo) do have a very valid opinion however much you guys dismiss it.
Fact is running a GSP is not hard work, plenty of people using these forums could organise something like that standing on their heads I am sure.
I doubt very much that as time moves on these glorified tea-boys will be missed at all to be honest, there is probably a very good reason why Firstnet decided they were going to put one of their own guys in charge. And I agree it was a sound business decision personally, but hey I don't spend all day on IRC bumming around building up a fanbase so what I do know?
Nothing belongs to anybody here, it's only a poxy IRC channel, do you clowns really think keeping hold of a small slice of Quakenet is going to make any difference whatsoever? Do you also use bouncers because you own your IRC nick? Boo f*cking hoo hoo.
Proves one thing to me, people who work in this field are an odd breed and need a reality check.
Now taking these comments into hand i may not have posted much here lately but thats mainly because of the past i have with wireplay. But i spent a good few years here before moving on to other gsps before i ended up at BY. I was also a Unreal league admin and public admin here so if i decide to post its because i know some of the history of wireplay. In this time of transition it needs all the help it can get.
But to have a go at us for not posting since we joined BY please grow up and quickly. As soon as the wireplay forums went beta i rejoined them and have been a regular visitor at them over the time they have been up. May not have posted much but i usually post when leagues, ladders etc are running otherwise i read the forums and lurk.
No matter where i play my games now i wish wireplay well. If you want to know why wireplay lost its Unreal and some of the UT communities in the past its cos we were dealing with people like you in the forums and not cos some employees left to go elsewhere.
As to the take over of the channel all it does is ensure the right people at the moment have the rights over it and nothing else. If people have an axe to grind with the new owners then fine but dont blame another gsp and its people there carte blanche cos of actions of a few people.
I hope wireplay does become a success again and people like you 2 remember that some of us even if we havent posted much have been here close to 5 years or more in some cases. Maybe not posting much but always hoping wp would get back to what it was.
Oh and running a gsp isnt hard work what sand dune have you had your head under m8. I'd like to see you work with no support from anyone above you, devote your free time to something you want to spend time on and generally fight for what you believe in. As i was involved in the last Unreal dm league that was run here as an admin and player and that was hard enough just doing that job in my free time after work. Let alone running the place full time.
That statement is totally out of place and completely dumps on everyone in the past who fought hard to keep this place going. Or helped organise anything here. With comments like that one is it any wonder some people have left and never come back.
This is my last word on this subject as i can speak from history here and being invovled in the past and as someone who each time wireplay relaunched have wanted it to suceed each time.
SCM
Lt. Sex Machine
13-02-2003, 23:32
So if you have been posting here "since the year dot" (to quote myself) how exactly does my comment exclude you? Who said you have to spam the boards every day like a complete t1t in order to be listened to? No you don't so lets not pretend that I was trying to exclude people such as yourself because I wasn't.
I stick with my comments though, running a GSP is an absolute breeze compared with a heck of a lot of people's occupations (mine included) and a damn lot of time is spent dossing, I know damn well it is so let's not pretend it's all hard work and no thanks because we can all see the start and the end product and it doesn't take a lot of imagination to envisage exactly what goes in in-between. The whole industry is incredibly amateurish and poorly run and I have yet to see a GSP that I think has sound footings, even now.
I have run a WP community myself, I believe the largest one at the time, big deal, I did it in my own time just like you did and just like hundreds of others have and I enjoyed it else I would have passed it on to somebody else. I don't begrudge the vast majority of people the time I gave over and I don't now turn around and remind them constantly that they owe me a slice of bacon for my time - they damn well don't owe me a bean.
If these people wanted to see Wireplay be a success then they would surrender whatever poxy pieces of turf they have occupied and just let the new owners get on with it instead of trying to grasp onto one last sh*tty piece of non-power that they crave.
If they have something to prove then maybe they can move on and start their own GSP, show everybody else how it's done - right?
Originally posted by SCM
As to the take over of the channel all it does is ensure the right people at the moment have the rights over it and nothing else.
How exactly was the channel in danger of being ran anything other than this way? Were the Firstnet employee's going to use some "CRAZY IRC SKILLZZ!!11", hack the channel and takeover?
What you deem as help could be looked upon as interference in others eyes. You say you have helped in the old Wireplay, good for you. I have had numerous positions at Wireplay too over the years, all in my spare time, most with thanks. Wireplay doesn't owe me a debt though, nobody forced me to do the jobs I did.
It's not what people have done for Wireplay in the past that matters though. It's what they will do for it today and in the future.
A takeover on IRC and a dozen paragraphs of talk won't help in any way or form.
Neophyte
14-02-2003, 00:25
Ok, ive read the comments on this thread, and its starting to turn into a mass flame war which is doing no one at Wireplay any good. I know feelings and tensions around the place are running high atm and that we all want the best for wireplay.
Lets start working together without arguing, its good to see people showing an interest again, without new people and old people coming back Wireplay is doomed to fail. None of us want that to happen.
I will leave the thread on display but will close it now for the reasons stated above.
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 11:30
ok this is a list of all the people who were opped or voiced in #wireplay last night, someone please tell me who they are and what they are currently doing for Wireplay, then the argument is finished:
Amok2
Breath
Grandad
Neophyte
Razz
Vamphay
BreathServer
Dashmobile
Fire-Uni2
Fire-server
Mister666
Mut
Qui
Sampson
Velvet
Katana
Amok2 = Owner
Breath = Website Bod / Vampys byatch
Grandad = Bot
Neophyte = Webby Bod / UT CL
Razz = Teh Daddy
Vamphay = Old fart / Q2 CL / Q3 CL / RTCW CL
BreathServer = Server
Dashmobile = Webby / CS CL
Fire-Uni2 = WP bot dood
Fire-server = Server
Mister666 = Moderator
Mut = not sure
Qui =not sure
Sampson = JK2 CL
Velvet = Old bloke :E
Necr0 = WP Spinkee
Katana = Nice lady / Neverwinter Nights CL
Edit by Breath: Just updating a few things on the list :P
Edit by vamp: Just updating a few things on the list aswell
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 12:04
so in that case anyone who is or has fiddled with the website should be opped, anyone who is a mod, anyone who is a nice lady, anyone who has ever worked for wireplay.
See my argument, this just doesn't add up, if its a room run "for the people by the people" who do anything for wireplay then surely all CL's, Admins, Mods etc should be running it? but thats not the case is it.
Lets put it another way shall we, anyone who is friends with any of the above is opped, anyone who rocks the boat and asks questions such as myself isn't?
As off today this is the official list of oped people (more may be added by razz as he sees fit)
[10:03] -> *q* chanlev #wireplay
[10:03] -Q- Channeltype: special
[10:03] -Q- Known users on #wireplay are:
[10:03] -Q- Unem Modes: +aotv
[10:03] -Q- Dash1 Modes: +aov
[10:03] -Q- TK421 Modes: +aot
[10:03] -Q- R4zz Modes: +amot
[10:03] -Q- Oppy Modes: +mnot
[10:03] -Q- velvet Modes: +av
[10:03] -Q- Mut Modes: +av
[10:03] -Q- Ladywarrior Modes: +aotv
[10:03] -Q- ^Breath Modes: +aov
[10:03] -Q- Vanpire Modes: +aotv
[10:03] -Q- amok Modes: +amnot
[10:03] -Q- Champ Modes: +av
[10:03] -Q- Mister666 Modes: +av
[10:03] -Q- [ReZ]Apoc Modes: +aov
[10:03] -Q- Necr0 Modes: +aotv
[10:03] -Q- Sampson Modes: +av
[10:03] -Q- End of list.
Notice your on there Ladywarrior as oped, so how about u actually come into the channel instead of complaining :|
I believe it is all those who are CL's and have gone the extra mile to help the community are oped.
And as for the fiddling with web sites comment, it's more of a pouring thousands of pounds worth of working developing background systems and databases to run Wireplay.
And as Razz has said, it's an on going process, not everybody who should be op'ed has been given ops yet. Razz is running the channel, but he also has a full time job to tend to, so please be patient, PM him if you feel you've been left out.
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 12:41
I was in the channel all last evening till gone 11 and nothing was said.
Dash im not putting down the work people do just trying to make a point and get some questions answered, Razz knows I respect him and really feel for the way he and Unem etc have been treated.
Call me a rebel I just like being the Devils Advocate in these cases :P
Neophyte
14-02-2003, 12:48
OK, I "fiddle with websites" I DJ for the Community Radio Station, I am also CL for the Unreal Series (which covers 6 games) and on top of that I am helping to manage the Ultima Online Community. Does that Qualify Ladywarrior?
My point is...Does it really matter? Hence the original reason for closing the thread.
Neophyte.
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 12:49
Why do people insist in going around in circles, just tell me this then what is Velvet CURRENTLY doing for Wireplay?
This is what has caused all the problems, we know you and other CL's work damn hard and the people doing the websites etc and people who keep it all together like Razz but why have Blueyonder people got involved in this?
Mods don't need to open them to post btw, they can just reply.
daffodil
14-02-2003, 12:52
I think the last half-dozen posts are proof, if proof were needed, that the upset isn't about the channel - but about a group of people losing their permissions... (btw, opening threads, commenting, then closing them again is ghey)
Neophyte
14-02-2003, 12:57
erm, im not reopening then closing the thread, I can post quite fine by clicking the Thread closed button :P
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 12:58
hehe why did you do it then Daff ;)
Neophyte
14-02-2003, 13:07
and why is this thread more popular since it was closed!!!!
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 13:10
forbidden fruit init ;)
Neophyte
14-02-2003, 13:24
o
in that case Ill reopen it!!!!!
:P :E
Ladywarrior
14-02-2003, 13:33
doh :homer:
Is anyone going to answer the question as to why Velvet and Qui had ops last night?
I think the point has been made that the channel would have been better left alone.
Who is Oppy btw?
They didn't have ops last night, only voice. I think they're both still voiced even although they don't have it on Q.
Oppy is the guy who started up #wireplay with amok years ago. Think he's working at BY too these days
Ops or voice, they are not involved in Wireplay atm and blows the flood of ex WP'ers arguement out of the water.
The whole thing got a bit boring 30 posts ago, so unless someone says something very stupid, I won't post again.
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
14-02-2003, 21:16
Originally posted by Ronaldo
so unless someone says something very stupid, I won't post again.
Wibble ?
Quite intelligent for you Vampeh ;)
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
14-02-2003, 21:49
tyvm you old fart :P
As my names been mentioned (woohoo) I'll just venture forward that what I did for #wireplay is be an oper there for nearly 2 and a half years (sept 2000 i became an oper there), I have done nothing for the service after leaving my job at wireplay except be an oper there for that channel. Apparently I have to earn that or do something else for wireplay else im rocking the boat or am only there because I'm bestesterest buddies with someone.
Out of this I've personally lost nothing, but sure, Im disappointed after caking around in there for so long.
Fwiw I haven't done anything for blueyonder either for around 12months in case anyones thinking i'm just poking my nose in. Ive been playing DAoC for the last year or so with people I met directly from wireplay :)
/cheer phatb0y , still worth a giggle :D
later :
:dog:
[COMIX]VaMpIrE
14-02-2003, 23:10
/me pats the old forums Mhutley :P
ParaSitius
15-02-2003, 01:30
Whats so special about being an op in an irc room? Like WOW, you get to kick/ban/voice/op people.
Whoop de doo.
This just seems to be a case of "much ado about nothing".
Originally posted by Ronaldo
Who is Oppy btw?
He's a rather handsome young man, i'll have you know. He was also a very long-standing member of the Wireplay QW community, and is currently doing his best to keep QW alive on BY.
Sorry but I've cut the last few lines to stop this returning to a flame war.
The swear filter here really does suck. Can you please change it :)
Well if whatever he said was aimed at me, I only asked who he was.
I didn't call his parentage into question. I still stand by the fact that if you don't hold a position in Wireplay anymore then you shouldn't have a part at the head of the community.
Surely this was the point of the IRC crusade?!
But that's just it Ronaldo, you lot see some sort of anti-wireplay crusade going on by Amok, but there isn't one.
Not at all.
Am I the only one that sees the irony? People who do nothing for Wireplay anymore making sure Firstnet earn ops in #wireplay.
Ironic and laughable, a double point score.
Dead Horse - Flogging...
But I see Qui still has a voice in the channel. This is for what exactly?
Lt. Sex Machine
15-02-2003, 22:53
Originally posted by Lungboy
But that's just it Ronaldo, you lot see some sort of anti-wireplay crusade going on by Amok, but there isn't one.
Correction - it is quite obvious that Amok and his merry band are pro-Wireplay, however they are promoting a version of Wireplay that has not existed for over a year and one that will never return.
Things have moved on, them trying to muscle in on the turf changes absolutely nothing and the thinly veiled excuse that they are protecting the communities interests until Firstnet prove themselves just does not wash.
The #wireplay IRC room is and always has been a chatroom for goodfellas and has absolutely no relevance to the final outcome of Wireplay no matter how much they think it does.
Which is why they are such a complete joke and are slowly making a U-turn whilst hoping nobody notices if they embellish it enough.
Just supposing but I guess Qui has voice because he has a bnc and hasnt quit since everyone in the channel was given voice. Say what you like about Qui, personally I think hes up his humpty-ar se and an arrogant fool but i dont think he has voice in your beloved #wireplay.
I'm in #wireplay as Wireplay is the place that I first played games online. I'm in #wireplay as I work for a 'rival GSP' and am interested to see what exactly the future holds for Wireplay. I'm not in #wireplay to cause any trouble or get involved with the running of a new Wireplay community.
I've removed my +av from Q and my voice as I neither want nor need them. Personally I'd given up ownership of all my Wireplay channels to Razz when I left, although I understand why amok kept #wireplay as it was created back when this was still a closed network as a channel for any community who also used IRC.
I have to say that some of the comments in this thread seem rather narrow minded. We didn't leave for blueyonder for any reason other than we expected this outcome of ArenaTek and wanted to try and find somewhere more serious about gaming. It hasn't been as easy as we may have wished, and has required substantially more work than just idling on IRC, but it is going in the right direction.
Anyway, good luck to those still putting time and effort into Wireplay. It conjures up a lot of memories for a lot of people, and it'd certainly be nice if even those who've not been involved in its most recent adventures could still be accepted as many still lurk and like to remember Wireplay as the place they first played games online.
I still hate you for introducing me to Asheron's Call, Velvet :(
[Dogma]
Lt. Sex Machine
17-02-2003, 11:51
Originally posted by velvet
Personally I'd given up ownership of all my Wireplay channels to Razz when I left
Exactly Velvet, that's exactly the thing that I and others are trying to put across here, you knew when it was time to move on and it was appropriate to pass on ownership to the people running it at the time.
Pigwhistler seems utterly switched on and responsible to me, I don't see what harm it would cause signing things over to him and having whatever mutual understanding you need.
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