old q3 server revamp

[[COMIX]VaMpIrE]

gimme a good list of mods and links to download them

we are going to take up on a suggestion made by EZtiger
a server whit loads of preeloaded mods on and the server mod being changed every few days

p.s EZ i'll reply to your mail in a few days ive been a tad busy :/

[[qbb]Jackal]

working on it as we speak, got a fairly long list at the moment, enough for a years worth at 1 a week, lol,
ill pick my faves

anyone think a mod a week is a bit too frequent ?
some of em are reasonably large file sizes C 60megs

how we gonna spread the word ?
a mailing list would be a good idea, giving info on the next mod and the one after possibly , and links to download sites, configs, maps, etc,
as well as posting it here of course.

[BBW]

Try www.q3central.co.uk I've got links to some cool mods.

[[qbb]Jackal]

was trying to do a list tonight, but i downloaded a really simple mod, and spent half the night playing it lol

was called seeker quake

like normal quake except u spawn with the rocket launcher

the first rocket you fire is like a homing missile and it seeks out an opponent, and while its on its journey your back to your std rockets, so you go chase your rocket down and try to finish em off.

if you got a rocket locked onto you you can teleport across the map or to the other side of any wall u face, and hope the rocket times out before it finds u.

simple but fun.

[EZtigER]

..my tuppence worth..lol

If you look at all successfull mods on Quake 3 servers, they all have one thing in common.

No Complex binds
No 100+ page RM files

Just dive in and play..

Freeze Tag
Excessive

I have been thinking about different mods, but something struck me the other day and I'd been doing it a lot with OSP all the time.

Take any id map and use the OSP cfg tol to tweak the maps to even out or make play that little bit more interesting.

Example Q3DM6 (Suggestion)

Drop Quad for Regen, Swap RG for PG (visa versa), and drop MH all together. Compliment this with a shotgun and 3 shells on respawn.

This stops the oh so familiar PG,RA,MH Quad amongst 5+ Spawn Points camping run that allows someone to clean up on a server.. lol.

Obviously the changes made from within OSP are universal for all maps in the rotation* so some thought would have to go into what maps are used, but with input from experienced FFA players I think you could have a selection of maps that compliment a similar tweak from within OSP and make the FFA game a little more interesting.

That aside..lol

I think if your going to go with changing the mods on a weekly basis then these are a couple of suggestions :

Instagib
Rune or Colluseum (<--spelling?..lol~)

and

that small mod where you collect coins for points instead of frags, when you kill someone they drop coins. I think it was made by the same team who made Colla..watsit thingy ...sium.. :)

Cant remember the name of it though, small fun simple no hassle..

All the ideas suggested in posts above are good, mailing lists are a good idea, just work, like anything the basis for all of this has to be for charity mate!...lol

We spoke about stats before, limited hassle (I pressume?) Its a good cheap option of drawing people in. Posting on clan forums another good idea, also having a WP clan is a good idea.. ithink so anyhoo, you've just got to make sure they are woop a**!..lol

Once you know 'exactly' what type of server model your looking at with mods etc, then you can look at ways of making it attractive to your average Quaker ..lol (Nude Pam Anderson Shots at level change!..lol) Illegal but a crowd puller...lol

Golden rule : the more complex something gets the more things can go wrong..! Oh to be an amoeba!.. :)




*Just a point re above I'm going to look into that, I imagine that with cfgs of sorts you could change the OSP flags per level but they would have to exec prior to the level being loaded, load times? poss crashing? I dunno, I'll look into it, if it seems like a good idea to you lot..? I'll hassle the OSP forums.. lol. but if we follow the amoeba theory is it worth the hassle?

[[qbb]Jackal]

This stops the oh so familiar PG,RA,MH Quad amongst 5+ Spawn Points camping run that allows someone to clean up on a server.. lol.
aww thats my fave bit :pimp:

agree with u totally, the simpler the mod the better, cant stand having to learn a whole new set of binds, one or two is fine, ( I've already got 75 bound keys in my config as it is. lol )
and if the mod is server side only (no client download needed) thats even better.

as for swapping the items over, im up for that, but if it means putting osp on dm6-only server noo0oo, I'm very reluctant to change anything cos it gets packed out most nights (we must b doing something right)
However, the same thing can be achieved with a server side mod called sq3a (no client download again) and it stays in vq3, aardvark use it on their ctf servers I believe.
And im more than happy to experiment on the other servers.

The nude pammy, I can do that using my l33t mapp0ring skillz but, would need to be on a custom map though to avoid invalid .pk3 eroors, and it'd need a modified .pk3 file, which the map authour wouldnt b happy about I dare say.

[EZtigER]

:)

[[qbb]Jackal]

heh cliche time :
If its not broke don't fix it

[EZtigER]

aww thats my fave bit

rofl... :P

Change is a good thing ;)

.Your totaly right about Q3DM6 beeing left allone mate, its a real winner, packed out most evenings.

This other CS mod would be a better option as well (nice idea) It would need extensive testing with 3 or 4 individuals that could put in a fair amount of time to play testing, to get the tweaking just right.

Hopefully if more people found this idea poular then the powers that be might give us a chance to test it out on a private server? Everyone involved would preferably have some kind of voice communication as well, @mirc before and after testing.

[[qbb]Jackal]

yeah with u on the testing idea, can be a bit tricky to set up apparently, no task to small eh.

get the mod servah sorted first I reckon.

stats would be wuvvely too

gonna have to make a list of things to do. :p

me looks up, somethin caught my eye, ooh nice jedi knight banner...reminds me, better try and make a q3 one this w/end.
unless anyone else wants to have a bash.

[Nephand]

:D

I did the jk2 banner - give me some interesting q3 screenshots and I'd happily have a bash at a couple of quake 3 banners for you to consider using.

[[qbb]Jackal]

wow cheers m8, will do when sometime over the weekend, pm a mail addy if u will pls :))

the cat ones funny too, a b3ta.com fan there me thinks.

[Nephand]

hehe Neophyte did all the UT ones I believe.

nephand@wireplay.co.uk is fine ;)

[EZtigER]

Many hands and all that great stuff!..

So what kind of server plan are you thinking of 'exactly'? are you going with the idea of rotating mods per week?..

[[COMIX]VaMpIrE]

will talk to you in irc m8
but this time say my name or pm me so i know your there :)

[EZtigER]

ok mate will do :) I'll be online from 21:00 hrs GMt tonight.. cya on IRC.

BTW : Nephand


I tried sending you some screenies (*.rar 1.8mb) and it keeps getting sent back as : Non Del.. :(


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nephand@wireplay.co.uk
<nephand@wireplay.co.uk>... Relaying denied

[Nephand]

bleh, must be the web server playing up - if it doesn't work a 2nd / 3rd time then drop into IRC if you have it / use it and I'll get them through there.

[EZtigER]

Mods that have been suggested so far.

Download QPONG (http://www.planetquake3.net/download.php?op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=476&ttitle=QPong_Arena_Beta_1.666)

(No Information Homepage down)

Download Q3 DOMINATION (http://www.eztiger.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/domination_129.zip)

Domination Q3 Arena (http://www.planetquake.com/domination/)

(Am after the Q3 Domination maps - ver of the UTDM maps, so get looking)

Downlaod FREEZE TAG (http://www.planetquake3.net/download.php?op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=493&ttitle=Freeze_Tag_1.5)

(Plenty of Info on the net)

Freeze Tag (http://www.planetquake.com/freeze/)

I know there is a few Freeze Tag servers but I can only find a few that are PB 'ed, inless I am blind?

Please add more.. :)

[[qbb]Jackal]

freeze tag is now incorporated in osp apparently ! :P

my first few mods to get the ball rolling are :-

Capture the Gunz
2 guns at a time !!!!
download - http://www.planetquake.com/eaw/files.shtml
about - http://www.planetquake.com/quake3/features/motw/ctg.shtml

Paintball
http://www.planetquake.com/q3pball/

King of The Mountain
http://www.king-of-the-mountain.de.vu/

q3pong is cool too - this link seems fine for me
http://www.planetquake.com/teamreaction/q3pong/index.shtml

anybody got any special little mods they would like to see ?

[BBW]

No offence but your building 'capture the gunz' & pong before you do Urban Terror or Threewave? Seems an odd choice..

[EZtigER]

No offence but your building 'capture the gunz' & pong before you do Urban Terror or Threewave? Seems an odd choice..

All just ideas atm, no commitment to anything in particular, the links are just here for people to d/l and try the mods first, get a little feedback.

Urban Terror and Threewave are 1st class mods but require a large infastructure to be leagued properly, were gonna start small (I personally think OSP has enough configurability for our first experiment) then if this works well we'll move on and try something a little more adventurous.

Building an enthusistic (but patient) team takes time as well.

Swamped with choices for UT and 3Wave, I think untill we get ourselves established something small is a godo idea.

[[qbb]Jackal]

I've been looking through the mods available for q3, and there's a staggering amount of them, one page I went to listed close to 75 different mods.
If I wanted to play 3 wave or UT I could just find a server, hop on it and blast away till my hearts content, whereas if I fancied a game of qpong or domination, I wouldn't be able to have one unless I played it offline.

Over the past few days, I've been playing a few of the mods I've mentioned, and have had a blast even just playing with bots, but its just not the same as blasting ur buddies.

What I suppose im trying to say is, were trying to provide something new, a little different form the same 6 or so mods u see on 99% of all q3 servers.
Who knows, if there is enough positive feedback from the mods, we may look into keeping one full time.

That said, I wouldnt rule out UT or 3Wave as a 'mod of the week' theyre both hugely succesful mods in their own right, its just that there are so many out their that promise something new.

[[COMIX]VaMpIrE]

the server will have FULL FTP acess so we can down it and up-it when we want as a new mod
we can also time it to come up as a cirtain mod etc
so theres no harm in loading a few hundred mods on to it :E

[BBW]

Well, in my experience of leagues, those featuring custom mods don't really work. For a game thats over 3 years old, it's far too late to try and find quirky or radical mods to run leagues with. If you really want to attract gamers you have to tempt them away from what they are already playing, so asking them to try something new is not really the way forward imho.

I say you test the water with a FFA Cup. I bet you'd get 70+ entrants if done properly. I don't know of 7 let alone 70 people that play QPong or Capture the duck or whatever...

[[qbb]Jackal]

capture the duck ROFL :)) n1

edit,: was late I was too tired to write a proper response

[EZtigER]

Well, in my experience of leagues, those featuring custom mods don't really work.

No one has suggested leagues with custom mods? The idea of custom mods and the ability for WP community people to choose what they fancied playing that weekend is to generate a good relationship/interaction with an already small community and hopefully entice more people to the fold as it were.

With your experience with leagues you will know what a massive undertaking a FFA league would/will be. Can you honestly say that we are ready at this moment to take on something that big? (although discussion is always a good thing) I'm not a defeatist, more of a realist and given our current 'state' we are not ready to embark on a project like that. Although given a little while I'm sure we will attempt something like that, it wouldn't hurt to put the feelers out, although I know from the UK Q3 community there is enough willing to take part in a FFA league.

To say FFA league means an ongoing thing, not lets all have a few games of FFA and see who is best :) The FFA league is probably one of the most involved leagues you can do ever, thats why so many others Jolt/BY etc have shyed away from it.

Just out of curiosity what was/is Blueyonders commitment to a FFA league? I have seen it discussed with quite a few GSP's on their forums etc, but have yet to see one of them pick up the gauntlet.....

End of the day, let us get the WP Quake 3 page up, give me and Jack and the rest of the WP staff a little time to strike up a working relationship and then who knows?..lol but a FFA league is a definate possibility, I really would want to test the water with something that big first. Try it get it off to pat. learn from it and then expand.

[[qbb]Jackal]

As I said to EZ yesterday, I think I could probably knock up a basic league site given a week or two, even though I am a complete newb at this php malarky. (3 weeks now)

I think I've got the basics of a FFA league in the code I've been working on for my clans match results page.
Would just need a little help from the resident experts to polish it off and make it look nice.

This all depends on servers, and players, if were going to make one server for running nods, it means were only really left with one for playing league games on, although the mod server could be changed over on league nites.

Lets not run b4 we can walk.

[breath]

I've got a league system lying around somewhere Jackal... just needs a bit of work to make it compatable with the central database.

[[qbb]Jackal]

aww kewl, i'll try and catch u later on irc about it

[BBW]

The By state of affairs with regard to FFA is that their website does not support it, and they won't allow LM's to use thier own sites.

On the old WP we ran 2 FFA leagues, with SniperUK. We offered the same when I was CL on By but they declined.

Clearly my days of running leagues is over, but in my experience it's not as difficult a task as you make out EZ and is really quite a blast. :)

[EZtigER]

Granted its not that difficult a task to put together some kind of structure for any tournament, but the reason why most GSP's go for team games is because the organisers have the Clan captain as a liase, where as for tourney comps or FFA each individual has to be dealt with and chased individualy.

I'm sure we can make it work, its just at the moment I feel it would be best to get our feet firmly on the ground first and get ourselves organised. We surly can't be expected to organise anyone else if were not organised ourselves properly yet.

Granted we could just use this forum, and post on BBS's but, and this is just my opinion, I think it would be best to wait for the WP Q3 page to go live, then start looking at getting bums on seats here in the forums and on the server.

I dunno maybe thats the wrong way of looking at things?

Plenty of discussion about how your going to do things before hand is cool and the more input the better. But I think the emphasis at the moment should be on attracting a crowd to WP and trying to develop the Q3 community. Obviously you can do this with just a forum and a server, but I wouldn't mind betting that people would be more willing to frequent a site that appeared at least a little bit organised.

[Fr0z3n]

All i can say is include a rather special mod called "q3 Akimbo"

You have two wepaons that can be fired at once. You can also have different weapons in each hand too. Ace little mod.

Check it.

[[qbb]Jackal]

Already got it on the list m8 :D

Also found another one similar too you may want to check out called Capture the Gunz, its similar to Freezetag using the Akimbo as a special powerup

another mod worth a look is Crate dm3, funny game !
and that military forces mod seems to be coming along nicely too.

[EZtigER]

second that vote... CTG is superb hadn't played it till Jack showed me... Great team game... a thinking mans game of Q3 :)

[cartman_x]

The Corkscrew mod rules