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Out of the 3 listed, I know who I definitely don't want to win (again), but my dough and heart is with JPM.
TBH I hope he doesn't move to McLaren unless they make some radical changes - yes JPM and Kimi might make a kinda rebellious team but not currently at the Silver Arrows...
I don't think it will be Raikkonen cos his car just doesn't have what it takes. I'd like to think it will be Montoya (And I have voted for him as well) but I can't help feeling that Schumi will somehow pull it out of the bag and win his sixth. He seems to be a right lucky ******* in that regard.
hehe, i don't really want Schumacher to win again. It's great pleasure to see him and Ferrari struggle after the past few seasons :) I'm wondering if in the times of desperation again he may resort to some of his tricks on the track ;) Like you say, Schumacher is definately lucky enough to be able scrape the title again in the final race. I keep imagining his brother running 'accidentally' into Montoya on the race track for him to take his 6th.
Montoya's definately favourite though, and certainly would be good for the sport.
Personally i don`t see how Schumacher CAN regain the title now.. his car may be good but those Bridgestone tyres seem to fall further behind the Michelins at every race.... its plain to see that and i think that is affecting Schumi`s confidence.. in the last few races Rubens has looked far more confident and aggressive in his driving...
Its certainly true that Schumi has nothing left to prove to anyone,and for the first time in years he`s NOT driving a dominant car, and i think thats affecting his motivation behind the wheel - thats something that affects every driver as they get older.. either they see too many colleagues die on track or they just lose the will to push to the limit...
I voted JPM - He`s young, aggressive, his car is fantastic and he`s on Michelin..
Kimi is young and aggresive, and he`s on Michi`s too, but somehow the Mclaren hasn`t quite looked like a winner all season.. but Kimi`s performance this year has kind of reminded me of Alain Prost in `86.. dogged determination in a car thats outdated but still quite good.... and look what happened in `86....
No, i`m sticking with JPM....
Diablos0
01-09-2003, 19:41
I think Montoya too, I always was wanting him to win last year, he came so close on many occasions, but this year it looks like he's got a solid package half way through and could be ready to take the title...
We'll see what happens after the latest Ferrari attempt at trying stitch up Michelin
which is what? i havent heard any juicy news
oh, Ferrari have put a complaint in that Michelin tyres are illegal under race conidtions, because the width of the tread in contact with the track exceeds the allowed 270mm. All over the f1 site for you to read ins and outs
yer i`ve read it now thanks...
Quite an interesting thing.. do you think the tyres were designed to "squish" under race conditions or do you think that its just an unintended accidental bonus to the michelin teams?
Well, i'd think both manufacturers tyres would squish under downforce. I guess as Michelin are on that limit as they do use wider tyres than bridgestone (Ferrari request thinner) they do exceed the width on the track. It's all how you interpret the rules i guess.
well, it would have to be measured when the car is stationary, i guess the rules state tyre width of 270mm contact patch when stationary, and i would interperet that as meaning both b4 and AFTER use....
it seems from the articles that i have read that the micheline tyre complies with that b4 use but somehow expands in width on the track - presumably expansion from heat build up.
Ferrari were made aware of this by a photo from a "japanese source" of a hot michelin tyre at standstill.
I wonder wether michelin have worked on that deliberately after realising tyre widths werent being measured straight after the race but rather in the post-race scrutineering when the tyres will have cooled and shrunk back their original widths...
Diablos0
08-09-2003, 11:09
Stupid ferrari, they HAVE to win don't they? They can't just say, we'll up the performance of our car or request better tyres, they go and friggin starting blaming other people for there downfall. I did'nt see McLaren and Williams complaining when ferrari were up there, they got to work they did'nt go about checjking other peoples race weights and set ups sneakily, push people off tracks, give team orders or blame other peoples set ups and attempt to accuse them of being false. Stupid ferrari... :mad:
Ferrari are probably the biggest cheats out there :P and their no1 drivers certainly is :)
LieutLaww
08-09-2003, 13:39
Its just the usuall Ferrari complaints of "were not winning so everyone else MUST be cheating do something FIA or MS !! will cry and pout " please note that a certain machers initials ar MS eeek
Bridgestone are apparently well under the width with their tyres, because Ferrari like them that way. Supposed to be better on the aerodynamics if they're thinner. Obviously it's all a bit of finding the compromise between the Mechanical Grip and Aero, so even if Michelin reduce theirs, there's probably going to be little impact overall.
It's obviously not just all tyres mind, BAR were only a few tenths behind the Ferrari's at Hungary, so they're obviously dropping back slightly also in terms of performance.
Originally posted by blito
Its certainly true that Schumi has nothing left to prove to anyone,and for the first time in years he`s NOT driving a dominant car, and i think thats affecting his motivation behind the wheel
In all fairness I don't think Schumacher needs a dominant car to win the championship. He sure as hell didn't need one to win his first which admittedely came when Senna died but the year after that his Benneton wasn't quite as good as Hill's Williams yet he still managed to win the championship despite being absent from two races.
The Benneton in 94 was a very good car tbh. Bad cars don't win championships. You forget that Schumacher missed 2 races for cheating (as usual). Williams in 94, not only suffered the loss of Senna, which was a guarantted championship, but also struggles more than they should have because of the change in rules in active suspension.
I remember reading Gerhard Bergers view on that benneton after he replaced Schumacher for 1996 - he couldnt understand how schumy had got it so fast,, very awkward car iirc
Now then.. todays race kind of makes me look a fool "schumy hasnt a chance" my arse... :P
Well, the 95 Benneton was clearly the class of the field. Even had the same engine as the Williams. I think 96 was more a case of Williams finally getting their acts together and Bennetin losing all their top players which must have had quite an impact on the development of the car.
I guess we got possibly wait until Japan find out who actually will take the title. I think Ralf not driving this weekend has cost Williams a little bit, as i'm sure he'd have been also challenging for that pole and maybe giving them greater control of the race. Gene did a good job mind, can't knock him with the limited f1 racing experience he's had over recent years.
the Berger comments were in Motorsport magazine a month or so ago - he commented that the car had been developed around Schumacher and was very much geared towards Schumies style of driving which really didnt suit poor Gerhard very well.
I think Gene did an excellent job, although i think people are playing down his role as test driver at williams - he`s probably spent as much time sat in that car as Montoya and Ralf combined - test drivers are far more useful than the general public seems to think... I remember watching Gianni Morbidelli a year or 3 after his F1 retirement - he was still driving F1 though as ferrari F1 test driver - and he was still a formidable driver.. able to lap far quicker and far more consistantly than he was able to show in F1.
So don`t fool for this "and Gene has hardly driven in years" thing - he`s been keeping his hand in and he knows that car well :)
Yeah, is a touch different when the pressures there though, especially the start. Driving round the track is one thing, overtaking and doing a start (with 20 cars around) is something else which the testing doesn't give, so, like you say he knows the willians inside out, but still the other factors ontop which he coped with ok.
Blood_God
17-09-2003, 14:09
This season has been the best of recent years, the Ferarri isn't as dominant, the new points system has lead to a close championship with Schumacher having a lead of only 3 points with only 2 races remaining.
Personally I'd like Montoya to win, and the Williams is expected to perform well at Indianapolis next week, but I still feel that Schumacher will somehow manage to pull it out of the bag.
scouseknight
17-09-2003, 14:47
I would tend to agree with the sentiments that Gene did well - although he's no stranger to the car or track - he handled the pressure of being in a grand prix very well and drove a solid race.
For the championship - well it's always foolish to write Schumacher off and I must confess I was thinking it was over with the potentially strong races for Michelin coming up but Monza was an example of why Schumacher should not be written off - not only did he blitz Barrichello he handled Montoya's pressure which is something that he (MS) has taken some criticism over recently.
I expect Montoya to win at Indianapolis - if he does then it's game on for Suzuka - and please no rain :)
The problem Schumachers got, is when Michelin do get it right, he's got potentially Williams, McLaren and Renault all possibly challenging him and finishing in front. When bridgestone have the advantage, their's simply no other bridgestone team in the running to take points away from the Michelin boys.
scouseknight
17-09-2003, 19:39
Aye this is a very interesting point and one that has hurt Ferrari this year - last year it didn't matter so much as they were supremely dominant but this closer championship (which has been good watching at times) has shown there are several very good Michelin teams and only one very good Bridgestone team.
I'd love Raikonnen to win it, but tbh hes driving a brick.
I can't see it going beyone Schumacher again to be honest.
Originally posted by Monie
I'd love Raikonnen to win it, but tbh hes driving a brick.
ROFL
oh but its a good looking brick :)
far nicer shape than the ferrari and williams bricks and that HAS to count towards the titel doesnt it? bonus point for the prettiest brick at each race? :D
Unfortunatly not, otherwise the Arrows might have actually moved faster than a scooter.
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