Allow Characters to follow through to UTT2?

[DM_Kev]

It was recently suggested to me on IRC that we do a complete wipe when we launch UTT2. I didn't notice any objection to this, but still, im going to run a poll on this issue.

Yes, we did say we would be allowing characters to be carried over to UTT2, but the following could be good reason NOT to carry chars over and completely wipe the vault instead:

- UTT2 contains a lot more new content than previously expected. At least two thirds of areas are new.

- At present, UTT2 has 49 quests in it. 41 of these quests are completely new.

- Characters carried over would miss out on the ranking system for faction areas - thus missing out on quests, information and unique rewards.

Basically the argument is - why let a character hop onto the world at level x when they have not experienced what is very much a whole new game. Also, why should someone join at level x and claim their fame when they know nothing about the world around them when everyone else is sweating away seeing the world bit by bit?

Anyway, please vote and offer your input.

[Avalyn]

Keel them, I vote you wipe it, else the true hardcore roleplayers wanting to start again will be at a serious disadvantage, it would just be unfair, you would basically be able to access the top level new stuff before the dedicated players just because you couldnt bare to see your beloved character deleted.

Kill em all, Let Ulmo sort em out. :P

[ghost81]

WIPE!

Lets level the playing field (and I say this with one of the high level characerts on the server)

[Fasin]

Ahhh - buggrit... Wipe thouroughly and flush

[DM_Kev]

Flushing! :bog:

[Azmar]

I say wipe. If anyone loves their character that much, just create the MK2 version. Dove the 2nd...or Argon will be on the 3rd.
Avalyn on the 176th or something...:)

[DM_Longbeard]

Blast off to space and nuke em!

Its the only way to be sure.

New world, New rules, New characters.

LB

[Argon Balros]

well personaly i would like to carry over a couple of chars i was going to use my main high lvl char more for rping. somthing i like about a high lvl char is you tend to make your own fun rather than relying on the actual mission but i would'nt want to carry him over in such a way if i was the only one.

On the other hand after recently starting playing argons daughter i find the game to be better balanced and more fun at low lvls so perhaps everyone being lowlvl in a new super hard world would be good.

perhaps a compromise high lvl chars should be carried over but deleveled perhaps 1 lvl for every 5 they had before no that don't sound either lol.

dam this is a dificult subject

[LieutLaww]

I say wipe :) and yes before any of u say u dont play NWN or who are just consider that the team making UTT2 have invested a lot of time into packing as many features/new stuff as is poss so from my point of view i would like to start at the beginning and work thru so i dont miss any of the stuff that been included thus giving me the chance to experience everything and not miss out on anything they have included.

Anyway time to go back and idle in #wpnwn :P

[SNarfel]

I was thinking of keeping Frain going to UTT2..... but realy am not too fussed. Will be fun to recreate him so sure wipe away..:)

[ghost81]

I do believe the other argument for a wipe would be the fact that some classes won't be in UTT2, and also there has been talk of changing the multi-classing rules. As this could mean some characters wouldn't be valid for UTT2, not wiping could lead to some peopel being able to keep their high level characerts, but other losing them as they don't fit into the new 'character design rules'. So a wipe would in fact make things fairer.

[Argon Balros]

i gotta aree although it sounds painful a wipe makes most sense.

one qustion wil utt2 take on the history of utt1 or will it be a completly fresh start and if it is carying on its history perhaps some interesting characters could live on as npcs.

[DM_Kev]

I see nothing wrong with continuting your characters tales/history, provided it makes sense for whatever the circumstances are when you bring it up.

[SPM]

I'll admit that i don't like the idea of a wipe at all... i'm more then willing (and was waiting to) start a new character so that i can witness the full features of part 2. But to me, leveling is boring as hell and hate the idea of having to painfully redo my high level character (my shifter is really the only one i care about) hehe.

[Argon Balros]

i think a lot of people feel the same as spm that a lot of the time your questing its boring but your only doing it for gaining your character experiance but the actual hack n slash is boring but i think a lot of people want higher lvl chars partly so they don't feel inadaquate aroung higher lvl chars so if everyone starts again and theres no exploiting from anyone to get ahead fast it should be good but a lot depends on the balance of the game.

[DM_Kev]

Well I hope adventuring on UTT2 isnt boring. A lot of the quests are very involving and fun, with a lot of twists in plots here an there. Hopefully players will feel more absorbed rather then feeling part of a race to reach level x first.

[SPM]

No worries, as i said i don't mind starting a new character. Just a huge pet peve of mine... spending many hours getting your character to a certain point only to have to start all over again with the same character. hehe. Na, if there's a character wipe i'd just consider all my previous characters dead and restart anew :) hehe

Only sad part is that i don't see a point in playing till UTT2 comes out now.. hehe. If we're all going to be wiped anyhow. :camper: Duck, mad face with a gun. :) hehe

[SNarfel]

Originally posted by SPM

Only sad part is that i don't see a point in playing till UTT2 comes out now.. hehe. If we're all going to be wiped anyhow. :camper: Duck, mad face with a gun. :) hehe

Indeed, exact same thought had crossed my mind, although a few things going on behind the scenes may still allow me to continue developing Frain as a character especially as I intend to recreate him in UTT2.:naughty:

[Blackwind]

*Buys a 100 Acer estate to bury 400 Level 40 chars*

:}

[Argon Balros]

the reason i still wanna play is to get a feel of classes i'm gonna play in utt2 that i don't have a lot of experiance with and its nice to just rp with people

[Ptolomy]

Having read about all the excellent work done on UTT2 I am very much looking forward to its launch, congratulations and thank you in advance to everyone involved.
I hope to recreate my main chararcter in UTT2 will this be allowed? If not then what follows is irrelevant, if it is allowed then my concern with wiping characters is nothing to do with levels and everything to do with the characters' stories.
The only reason that I hope to recreate my main character is that I have invested so much time and thought in him. When starting him again at level 1 how should his relationships with his current friends be role-played? Can I take up his story from where it currently is or should he be played as if he has just left home, knowing no-one and having no loyalties, adversaries, memories etc?
What I enjoy about MERP is the roleplay, I never was much good at dragon slaying anyway! I know that the opportunities for creating absorbing characters will be much enhanced by UTT2 but I would be sad to no longer be part of what has been a very enjoyable story. Thanks again to the UTT2 team :)

[ghost81]

My personal take on this is you could do either. I'm going to recreate Lolinus, but I've slightly changed his background story. The bulk of it is the same, but I've ironed uot and adjusted some of the things I felt weren't very Tolkien. At the same time he is the same character and will know some of his old friends, but hios background allow for this as he spent time travelling the various dwarven-homes of middle earth learning what he could.. So he could have met his old friends in this part of his life rather than adventuring.

[SNarfel]

Ptolomy, I understand your concerns fully, I dont think it will be such a big problem though.

I certainly will be continuing with Frain as if he still knows certain characters, e.g. Greg, Vin, Argon... etc (assuming those characters are recreated by the individuals owning them). Frain will still have his persona and traits (although he will be a pure wizard) and will still be Frain so to speak. I cant really see any problems with this. sorta like having your cake and eating it:lips:

[Avalyn]

to be honest, if you really care about being a high level and you will just rush to level back up to 40 if a wipe is done, you shouldnt be here on a roleplay server, you should be on an action server, like howards, itll only take you 5 minutes to get to level 40 there.

[WreckSC]

Well my main character Jade will be coming back for a third time thats for sure.

To keep it fresh sometimes you can make the character differently. For example with Jade before the last char wipe when the vault became corrupted, we had a story where the knights of Gondor had been attacked, an assination attempt. That way some of the knights did not come back (the assination worked if the players did not want to remake that char) while others made it. With Jade I used it as an opportunity to try something a little different so before she was a weapon master / fighter type. After (she had been poisoned in the attack) she came back a tougher less specialised fighter (so no weapon master, but more constition to reflect her toughening up and taking some champion levels, to reflect the time she had spent in the care of the white city priests) and the story continued.

I think I know how her story will progress this next time, but it can keep it a little more interesting with a little veriety. Still there is nothing wrong with building the same character again, just I find when I have done it before I make subtle changes to keep it fun.

Cheers

Wreck

oh, I'm for a vault wipe btw, with all the class changes.

[Argon Balros]

i would make argon balros the 2nd to be the same character as he is currently with a couple of changes to his class perhaps fighter/weaponmaster/paladin or one of the new prestige and maybe loose the snd as he has overshaddowed his farther now i think.

i was going to put him into semi-retirment and play his daughter Narya Balros but perhaps i'll give her a little longer to grow up

[Argon Balros]

*2nd*

[Fasin]

Recreate your old charcaters again, dont recreate your characters but make new ones. Entirely up to you. Ill be doing both so ill be pretty damn busy. As far as i am concerned all of Velds old mates will still be his old mates. The fact that he will be level 1 again never even occurred to me as a factor in the way i would RP him. It never did first time round. I look at this as an ideal opportunity to refine the way i made him and try out a few new ideas. I knew nothing about how to develop a fighter in NWN when i was creating him, Im somewhat wiser now and will apply that knowledge accordingly. Hopefully most of my old PCs will be able to take full advantage of the new Prestige Classes and learn about them as I go. Its a bad thing to be reluctant to try a class because you know nothing about how to 'build' a character with it, skills to take, feats and such. That sounds like a case of how much bang can i get for my buck.

Its better that we all start afresh really. Those that dont will only have a power advantage over others and its a pity that they feel its too much like hard work to be bothered to build new characters after all the work thats been done. In a way they will be at a disadvantage, unable to get the low level quests to gain the reputation to gain better quests etc. They will find their experience governed by the goodwill of lower level characters willing to take them along to a certain extent.

Incidentally, I think that if the better quests are reputation based it will inhibit the powerlevellers and im all for that.

Wipe the lot... Think I'll vote twice :P

[Beeline]

Gotta say I agree with Fasin, cant let high level chars in from the start, otherwise the best gear is just gonna get spread where is shouldnt yet, to the new chars, shakes the balance, and in all fairness this is a very different world, nothing like MERP as it is now. We're all gonna enjoy the newness of starting again, the server will be better for it. Im saying this from the position of having a lvl40 lvl36 and lvl35 char already, so I lose a lot. Vote fresh start. :D

[morez]

i am for wiping too
but there are some things i regret that my only main char Cûferedir (who will be wiped anyway - he is an AA) will be no more like he is now. as ptolomy has mentioned i am afraid too about roleplaying all this relationships and recreate his story which has become a basic element in my rp-actions...
to be honest, if you really care about being a high level and you will just rush to level back up to 40 if a wipe is done, you shouldnt be here on a roleplay server, you should be on an action server, like howards, itll only take you 5 minutes to get to level 40 there.
maybe for you avalyn it's easy to get a to a higher level but I am playing since June (a half year) not every day but i played often and only this only char Cûferedir and i am lvl 25 now..
so i had these problems about beeing too low lvl cause i still wanted to group and rp with my old friends and mates like veld...(@fasin: once you told me to get epic so you could need some like me at your adventures)
so i am just afraid to recreate my char and his story (i hate recreating stories - they are unique) and i wont be able to stick with my friends again cause they all have a faster development...
i am totally for wiping after this good arguments
i am only concerned about loosing my lovly Cûferedir cause i am thinkin about a new char too
/*(only beeing archer becomes boring especially this new elven bowmaster still hasnt convinced me (/*he seems to be much weaker than the AA==weak - dont misunderstand me: i dont want to have the uber char so i never had one but simply dont want to be that who dies alwaysd at first...*/ == don't take this. too serious - just some mind spam))*/
I hope to be able to recreate Cûferedir so that i still like him


i am just afraid to not have enough time for playin but i am glad to adventure all the new quests...

P.S.: sorry my English is confusing but i dont want to kill everything i wrote

[Ptolomy]

Judging from some of the replies to my questions above I seem not to have made myself clear enough. For what it's worth, I am entirely in favour of a wipe.
I am looking forward to the chance of starting Vinduil again so as to generally rearrange him and to take advantage of the new content: classes, reputation etc.
I also excited about creating several completely different new characters, both in classes that I have and have not played before.
I am glad to hear that carrying a character's consciousness through this process will be acceptable for a roleplay point of view. In which case, I look forward to partying Vinduil up with his old friends, you know who you are! :)

[Argon Balros]

cya soon vinduil in the new world :)

[Fasin]

Just wanted to add that i like yer attitude lads. All you are really losing are a bunch of stats at the end of the day, the rebuilt versions of your current characters (should you go that way) can be the same in as many of the respects that you care to retain. In many respects you have had some experience of playing them as governed by the way you built them this time, you can now use that experience as a first draft if you like - you now have the unique (well maybe) opportunity to refine and improve your characters in a world thats a much improved and more tolkienised version of the game we have all grown accustomed to. I cant see too many getting lost in the new mod as its structure doesnt seem to be radically different, but the quests are, and that can only keep it nice and fresh.

I agree with morez about him being attached to his character, but you arent losing him. You can now reinvent him statwise, rethink his history and hang out with the dwarves some more. Could you ask for anything more - heh heh :P

[clone number 3]

Send 'em all to big tavern in the sky (Frain's buying!)

If we all start on the same playing field, it will be a new opportunity for people to party with those that they may not have done so with in the past. We end up with a whole new group of friends...and enemies

Let the RP commence

:pimp:

[morez]

Cûferedir once again is impressed by the wisdom of the naugrim
glad to hear that Cûferedirs friendship to ya dwarves (so you are the biggest population in utt i guess :) ) will be continued so i love you all you little buggers....
my fear is only one of that kind that's usual for somethin new comin up..
actually Cûferedir just wanted to gain his experience to take part at new more epic quests like e.g. bilbo's.(never seen several epic quests in utt1 yet)..so in utt2 mostly all quests will be new so I don'T a have to have epic char to get something new...
after christmas i will have 2 weeks holidays "RihaaaaYeahYabbadabbadoo" it wont be fun for your new monsters kev hehe :)

[PureLojik]

Full wipe, for sure. Makes perfect sense to me.

[DM_Kev]

*Releases epic devils*

[Luinil]

i really dont get all this fuss about worrying about the friends your old characters had, atleast its not a problem for Mard :P

joke aside, im all for the wipe for reasons already stated. Relationships (good and bad) can be carried over of course, but your specific great times when you killed that dragon cant. The dwarves will still have their ale drinking so they wont lose out on much i guess :p

Mard will not be going into utt2, instead a new interesting guy will appear, this one will actually be able to speak decent :D
Cant tell a lot more about him as i have to be sure about what prestige classes will be available and then see if i want one, or if ill be a pure class but it'll deffo be fun ;D

[SNarfel]

and Frain will still have ALL his food.... s

[DM_Kev]

With just about all regular forum users voted, i'll close the thread now. I doubt there's going to be 14 votes for 'no' any time soon :P

This means that there WILL be a FULL VAULT WIPE for the launch of UTT2.