Can evil characters roleplay as being evil?

[DM_Kev]

Going by the sort of things we encourage in the community, yes, of course you can.

But just lately it seems that evil characters are being victimised for roleplaying their character or for simply carrying out any obligations they have, such as defending an area.

I'm also hearing and seeing of things that I find very low and to an, extent disgust me.

I will refer you all to an excellent example which actually took place today, but its by no means the be all and end all of this issue.

Three evil characters who were rogues/steathy characters were spying on a party of good characters in Tharbad. They overheard their intentions to invade Dunland, so, as they are obliged to, they rushed to defend the territory. They were only stealth specialists, so they could not stand up in a toe to toe fight with a fighter. The good aligned party also contained a very high level fighter. So, using their strengths, the Evil characters laid some particularly nasty traps as a surprise.

The good party, not knowing that the evil spies heard their plans, nor that they had laid traps for them, attacked Dunland. Later they fell to the traps. One character immediately respawned - fine. The others, when raised began to complain about many things before it turned into a mess.

1. The Evil characters heard of the plan to invade Dunland. They were right to try and stop the Good party.

2. Traps do dot require the setting of dislike. The Evil party had no intention of revealing themselves. They rely on stealth and will not fight toe to toe with fighters!

I do rely on an element of common sense when players take part in things like PVP. But this is an idealistic term so therefore it is not often used. So I tend to have to spell the rules out to people. But im not prepared to keep on adding rule after rule to the community.

Now, what has really got my back up over this and other incidents is that good spirited players are getting upset by what I can only describe as whining. My experiences of roleplay servers have always had whining from others whenever I try and roleplay a character - especially evil characters. Whiners was just one of the many reasons I decided to run my own community because I knew myself and plenty of others were fed up of it.

Some of this whining has gone too far. Allow me to quote a few things:

"I've had enough, bye. Shame on YOU on a holy day"

"Next time I'm getting us all banned...this lack of humanity appalls me"

The reference to holy day was not interpreted as a jest if that was the case. Religion or your beliefs are not a weapon you can weild in this community. If such evil acts offend you on a 'special' day, don't play. During the course of this game, you are exposed to violence, blood, gore, torture, war and all manner of evil deeds. If this offends you, dont come complaining to me or other players. If I feel it is an innapropriate day to run the game, I will put it offline. As I am not a religious person, I will run the game as I see fit. That means players can act as they wish, within the rules given.

Threatening to get players banned is very low and is more likely to get YOU banned, so dont do it. First off, its adminism and secondly it annoys me, so dont do it.

The conclusion of this one case is that the evil characters were IN CHARACTER and did nothing wrong, using their common sense and traps responsibly. But the wider issue is that players must understand that EVIL CHARACTERS WILL COMMIT EVIL/DESPICABLE/UNDERHAND ACTS, within the rules of course.
One player summed up the situation nicely, which I fully agree with:

"Im getting sick and tired of this. You're evil but you cant play evil"

Lets use our heads please folks and not make this a stereotypical whining RP community :D

(Concerning above incident - I have read several identical accounts and 12 screenshots of all words said. Im satisfied with the account given and will hear no more of the incident in question)

[Valek-Dark]

Glad to know everything was sorted out. But remember to hear both sides not only theirs. And please... don't give my words the meaning they want to, give them what they truly mean!

My problem was just one... the traps weren't in Dunland, they were on the road to Tharbad. Pure and simple. I wasn't even rude when stating this, I only searched for clarity on that. I was as calm as one can be. I didn't offend anyone or did I? I even said, "careful there I think you just broke a rule, next time set the traps inside of the engagement area. You're lucky it's me and not someone else cause I always forgive this stuff..."
Check the logs cause quite frankly I wasn't even taking pics... just see if those weren't my EXACT words at the time!

And yes I said next time I was getting us all banned. Why? Because quite frankly I didn't like it when they started stating that I should be ashamed of myself for helping other players when I'm lvl 17... and that I was breaking the rules. That's why I countered: Maybe I am, maybe not, but so are you... so I say next time we ALL get banned. Merely to let them know that if my actions were wrong so were they!
(Were my actions really that wrong? I wasn't even running around killing everything... I let them kill the dunland chief, I tossed a few healing kits around and even planned on leaving before they delivered the head! Not like I was doing it for self profit, I didn't even collect loot...was just trying to help.)

And did you even check why I stated this is a holy day? Not because of their character's actions! NO! I said we should all be ashamed to do THAT on a holy day! By THAT I didn't mean the battle, I meant the argument we had right there in front of new players. That same argument led one of them to send me the following tell: "I am going to read some party pvp rules and find a new server."
WE should ALL be ashamed to have done what we just did on a holy day, fighting like cats and dogs among ourselves and making the new players run away!

When I spoke of lack of humanity it was not of their characters but of them out of character! Their characters don't have humanity... they are not living beings. The people behind the computers do. Their characters just follow their backgrounds and act as they should on a given situation...

But you know what? It matters not... it seems you have heard their side, seen their pics and made your point. I honestly don't care! These past few weeks the server has taken a complete turn, where I used to have fun I now have only rage and arguments. Am I as guilty as they are? I SURE am! I let myself get carried away and got pretty offensive at times, like they all did! That's why I feel it's time for me to take a break from this. This thing didn't happen to me once for two months and now in a week... Hell breaks loose.

Check your facts! NOT ONCE did I criticize them for defending Dunland. NOT ONCE! They did well in defend it... they should have placed their traps inside the engagement area though, not on the road to Tharbad, we would have still died and I would not say a thing. They killed me, FINE THEY SHOULD! They did it the right way? NO! Did we all act OOC like idiots on a day that was supposed to be holy? WE DID! Did we scare away new and good role-players out of UTT2? WE DID!

I say we should ALL be punished, not only did we ALL break the rules, me for helping characters when it seems I shouldn't and them for engaging me outside Dunland, when the DMs stated the other day that all engagements had to be done INSIDE the said area. We ALSO started an idiotic fight on a holy day in front of new players which scared them away. I say we should all pay... and I say you should first ask me for my version and my defense before stating that I said things with a meaning I did not! A picture with a phrase doesn't say much if you weren't there reading my whole theory and statement! Accusing me of SAYING that their characters shouldn't defend Dunland, That's FALSE! Accusing me of saying their characters acted wrong and without humanity... FALSE! I accused the PEOPLE of not having any humanity, and I will do it right here AGAIN! Not because of the traps but because of the stupidity we ALL fell into after that!

And that... is that! Do what you wish cause I don't care anymore, I said what should be said, we acted like idiotic children, like we did so many times these past few weeks where everyone seems to like to take their time to offend each other. Just don't make the mistake of passing judgement on someone without hearing their side of the story.

Did we lack humanity on this fine day? We sure as Hell did... whining you say? I make a SINGLE polite remark that turns into a flame war in-game in front of new players. I didn't whine at the time, but it's ABOUT time I should start!

(I am sorry, had to defend myself, not fair to be accused and not having an opportunity to do so. Just had to say that before taking a small break. Have fun, keep up the good work, and let's see if later, at some point, we are ALL able not to pass our OOC grudges into the game. This is no jest, if there is a day to be polite, that is today. We all failed miserably and I am ashamed of myself only for that! Not for helping others!
Thinking I would use my faith to criticise their gameplay is ridiculous and an offense to me and my beliefs as well... even if we don't all share the same faith we should at least have acted better than that today... far better!)

[Gloin]

I think one point you're missing is that it's exactly the fact that you attacked the players, not the characters, that upset people. Saying that you accused players of having a lack of humanity -- why on earth would you do that? I think what Kev (and others) are objecting to is attacking people, not characters. Kev's post was about *clarifying* that attacking characters is OK. Personal attacks are never OK.

About all the stuff that you claim was portrayed wrongly... well, I cannot judge how you *meant* what you said... but what Kev showed is how what you said was *perceived*. He says he has evidence of that, which means that he has seen what was said and has remained with the same impression. In the end, it's what the person you're talking to thinks you're saying that you really are saying; it's not what you intend to say.

You say:

"And did you even check why I stated this is a holy day? Not because of their character's actions! NO! I said we should all be ashamed to do THAT on a holy day!"

From the quote Kev posted... "Shame on YOU... on a holy day"... I'm sorry, this really doesn't sound like you were saying "we should all be ashamed and pull ourselves together". Quite apart from the fact that this day is holy to by far not all of us, what you said seems to be in contrast with what you think you said.

You say:

"Check your facts! NOT ONCE did I criticize them for defending Dunland. NOT ONCE! They did well in defend it... they should have placed their traps inside the engagement area though, not on the road to Tharbad. They killed me, FINE THEY SHOULD! They did it the right way? NO! Did we all act OOC like idiots on a day that was supposed to be holy? WE DID! Did we scare away new and good role-players out of UTT2? WE DID!"

"Just don't make the mistake of passing judgement on someone without hearing their side of the story."

To me, it sounded like Kev had checked his facts quite thoroughly. The reason he justified the evils' actions is that they, the characters (and people) in question, remained with the feeling that you thought their actions were wrong, and that you threatened to get them banned.

Again it's quite probably an issue of what you mean to say not being quite what is perceived on the other side. But one has to be aware of such issues... The fact is that several evil players were left rather confused by the happenings. The fact is that there was an OOC discussion that lasted for longer than necessary. Kev's post is about reassuring us about what is acceptable and what isn't; it was not an attack on you. He was, thus, not "passing judgement". Except, perhaps, on the reference to a holy day. But religion should be kept out of matters like this, IMO.

Also, about the factual background of this -- to me, it sounds like the traps were sufficiently close to the exit of Dunland that it would be unambiguously clear they were meant for the Dunland invaders. Let's not get bogged down in NWN engine details like area transitions. I know what the rules say, but common sense should always be used.

You say:

"Accusing me of saying their characters acted wrong and without humanity... FALSE! I accused the PEOPLE of not having any humanity, and I will do it right here AGAIN!"

What grounds do you have for these claims? If I was one of the group concerned, I would be very offended by such a statement.

*sighs and toddles off to bed*

(I'd like to state that I do not want to start a flame war. The views expressed above are my own, derived from my own -- admittedly incomplete -- understanding of the event and rudimentary psychology, and not intended to insult any person. If they do, I apologise.)

[Valek-Dark]

Why on Heck did I accuse them? The same way they told me to be ashamed of myself OUT OF CHARACTER and the same way we started flaming away at each other OOC! Should we have done that? NO!
Do I still think we all lack humanity after our display today? I sure do... we should ALL be ashamed, or pretty much everything we said. Now don't give ME as a false example and don't accuse me of saying what I did not say. I told them to be ashamed of themselves YES but trust me, I was feeling ashamed at myself too!

You would be offended? I don't think any of us have that privelege after what we did... if anyone feels offended I'm sure that's Siia who left in seconds.

I did make some mistakes yes, but not the ones said above... it's different and SHOULD be known! As I said... don't read a couple of quotes or even replies and pass judgement. Things were messy and not as linear as they were stated. And I did not attack the players... we all attack each other, it's even worse.

Edit: I'm glad she did, because quite frankly, I'm amazed she will even return after what we did today. I'm not asking for you to think I'm 100% innocent and acted well today. I didn't! But did they? Oh no... they were as bad as I was so don't take sides here, we all messed up. And trust me... I AM ashamed now, for all of us, even if I don't have the right. I am even amazed YOU are not standing here accusing us of being so unsensitive on a day like Easter. You can't be bothered? I was the one who should have bothered to go to mirc counter their partly false accusations... if the guests hadn't arrived I would have!

[Gloin]

Actually Siia handled it rather well. She came on IRC and asked the DMs for clarification on the rules; this led to a lengthy discussion in which the issues were (as far as she's concerned) resolved.

"Don't read a couple of quotes [...]"

All of the above is based on the IRC discussion with Siia, too. The facts stated is how it was perceived by all of the evils and the DMs, *after* the discussion.


## substantial edit

To me personally, a major boundary lies between criticising someone's character or someone's RP, and criticising someone as a person. From what I heard, you crossed that boundary today, and this is the main thing I reproach you for. I know there was a discussion before that. I know the rules aren't unambiguous. They can't be. They require a little bit of interpretation, a little bit of common ground, and a little bit of generosity -- being prepared to accept an interpretation slightly against your own interests if it's still in the spirit of the rules. It sounds like you were killed after a RP'd hunt/defense of Dunland, then raised, and the first thing you did was OOC criticise the style of RP. I can see how this could lead to complications.

We really shouldn't need as many rules as we do. Rules like "leave OOC talk and discussions for forums and IRC" should be implicit and obvious.

By the way: We really shouldn't be having a discussion in post edits, it'll be impossible to follow for anyone else. ;)

Final edit: I'm off to bed. Speak to you tomorrow.

Oh -- I agree it would have been better to go to mIRC (and probably PM a DM there before discussing it publicly)... though which part of their accusations is false? What accusations are they, apart from the claim that you're in a level 6-7 area with a level 17 character?

[Valek-Dark]

Originally posted by Gloin
sounds like you were killed after a RP'd hunt/defense of Dunland, then raised, and the first thing you did was OOC criticise the style of RP. I can see how this could lead to complications.

We really shouldn't need as many rules as we do. Rules like "leave OOC talk and discussions for forums and IRC" should be implicit and obvious.

It sounds like it but that wasn't what happened... see? That's why I say next time, don't talk about what you don't know, please. And I don't care WHAT was said at mirc, I really DO NOT, the DMs have ways to check things so I guess this ends it.

Just made that edit to avoid "spamming" the forum with useless posts, a couple or three at maximum should be enough to present my defense. And so I did... a defense that states that I broke a rule, the difference of character thing but the rest... the rest isn't exactly right. It's not like I upped, got respawned and started attacking them ooc... I left in disgust yes, at the spectacle we put there, especially in front of Siia and Mana...
I did not mean to threaten anyone, I meant only to let them know they were lucky it was me, cause I'm the guy that forgives thieves EVEN they are caught on the act and the guy that ignored that hot headed tell the other day headed my way with some pretty bad english words. Wasn't playing God, was trying to show that I'm nice in my own... obviously wrongly stated way.

[Gloin]

Originally posted by Valek-Dark
It sounds like it but that wasn't what happened... see? That's why I say next time, don't talk about what you don't know, please. And I don't care WHAT was said at mirc, I really DO NOT, the DMs have ways to check things so I guess this ends it.

Actually (and I'm not going to go into any depth here, I'll leave that to Kev or whoever feels like it), my understanding is that there was sufficient RP justification for setting the traps -- even you admitted that, earlier on. Also, you said you started by saying they had behaved wrongly/broken rules/something to that effect. Going as far as saying they were lucky you were not someone else, which, to me, would have sounded like a threat.

Edit: I admit that perhaps you didn't go as far as it sounded; I also think that what you said was taken far more seriously than you realised, partly because of the similar trouble there's been over the past week or so. It's a shame that once something like this is kicked off, it just spirals out of control.

I think we all need to think about how what we say will sound in the ears of the intended receiver... As I said, you probably didn't mean what you said as a strong criticism, but in "the heat of battle" it was taken as one. This is one of the reasons why OOC talk should be left out of the game.




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Another attempt at a final edit: Yes, I think we've now pretty much established most of the problem was "misunderstandings" -- things being understood in a way they were not intended. There's not overly much we can do about that, except try to move on and not let it happen in the future.

In the end, we're here to play. Such misunderstandings do happen, much as I would like to prevent them somehow. Everyone should think twice before posting a potentially offensive statement, and, if in doubt, probably not post it.

I don't know what else to suggest...

[Lorien]

Right now I'm getting annoyed again.

We have someone posting here who we backed up in an argument not that long ago, but who is now moaning cos every thing isn't going there way. I have to say there is no excuse for a levl 17 character to be in Dunland. Hell if a low level group of goods went in and were attacked by a high level group of evils I'd bve stamping on the evils right now.

Howver we are begining to get people who believe that their view is the only view again. In fact we're getting people admiting to doing wrong then trying to defend it.

I don't know about the other DM's but I'm getting mightly pissed off by this kind of whining and b*llsh*t. When people start kicking up this kinda fuss when its obviously not warrented I'm leaning towards asking Kev to use the ban tool.

We don't need this kinda **** and we have plenty of players willing to play within the rules and take the crap that occasionally comes their way - play nice or go. Many players have made threats about how many people will go if they do but we still have a very good player base of decent roleplayers, and to be honest tahst all we've ever wanted.

[DM_Olórin]

A couple of things based on what i have seen and heard and read. (Note i like to think I am a VERY fair player and DM. That in mind read on).

No level 17 fighter should be in Dunland with a party of characters under level 10. However noble the intentions, the quest is not designed for it, it makes it too easy for the party and seriously depletes the challenge. Please avoid doing this. This should be obvious.

The traps were perhaps excessive in their intensity, but the rogues involved figured that they had a high level fighter to deal with. The party were rezzed afterwards which the evils were not obliged to do. As to where the traps were, they were at the entrance to Dunland, granted on the wrong side of the AT. Had they been at the gates of Tharbad that would certainly have been unacceptable. In future, best to keep traps on the inside of disputable settlements in the interests of fairness I think. The intended targets then have a chance to spot them and maybe disarm them.

I wish people would not take what happens to their characters so personally. It is never meant as such. Players that do have to be watched in case they start grief killing their enemies, and it creates a bad atmosphere on the server. Sometimes characters die, its all part of the game but kicking up a stink when you feel slighted, suggests that there is need to consider reactions before venting spleens. I recall the fuss when some orc pissed on Richard's corpse in isengard. You took that very personally and went way over the top IMHO. Yes in that case a player was at fault and was banned cos of the trouble his prank caused.

Stop taking events in RP so personally. :)

There - no flames - no ranting - how nice.

[DM_Kev]

I did say that this matter was closed and I didnt want to hear more of it in light of the substantial evidence I was given. The person reporting the incident gave me absoloutely everything to look at.

There is no blanket blame for this. Its about a handful of people complaining about evil rp, which amounts to whining.

I have had complaints from many evil players about similar incidents to this one, so I am trying to raise awareness that evil characters are not going to wallow around the world and shower you with hugs and kisses.

I did not ban anyone as I did feel that there was no mallicious intent from anyone, but as Gloin said, this situation spiralled out of control and something had to be done, hence the above statement.

The main points im raising are:

- Use common sense when dealing with opposing alignments. They will rp their alignment

- Too much ooc talk on incidents cause arguments

- Things you say can be taken the wrong way - think before you speak!

- Do not use religion to make a point, not all players are commited followers of x religion

- Dont use adminism

Thanks. Any further rants about the incident will see this thread closed for flame prevention. We welcome any comments on roleplaying evil in general.

[Valek-Dark]

The other day I was the victim, today I am not. I am not trying to defend my behaviour I am merely trying to tell what happened and let you know which mistakes I made. I am as ashamed of myself for what I did and as mad as myself for what I did in front of Siia and Mana as you are. If you feel it is needed to punish us, or me alone, for what happened today I will accept it without questioning your reasons or judgement. If I am to be punished let it be for the right reasons, that is all I wish for...

I also apologise for bringing the DMs into this, I can only imagine how much work they have already building stuff like the Shire. Things ARE getting a bit messy lately and I have been part of it. I also feel I should say this, if not for anything else to at least calm the DMs: I do not wish for you to change your rules or your world because of me, nor do I wish to have my way... in whatever it is you believe I do. I WILL take a break because quite frankly, as much as I feared I could be lead into a bad situation again I was not able to avoid it as I should, especially in a day like today.

And with that I will wait and TRUST ME, whatever you decide to do, I will deal with it! THAT is the truth! All I can do is thank you for some... pretty amazing times those two months and for giving me the possibility to experience a very interesting world. Please do as you must!

[DM_Kev]

I have already said that nobody will be punished as I saw no mallicious intent from anyone. Enjoy your break :)

[telecaster]

my first post to the forum and i am already mentioned! i did ask about two rules and the dms gave me the definiton(s) of said rules. i think that setting the trap at the actual transition denies a player a skill check, i may be wrong, but when you "appear" in the middle of a trap there is no chance to detect it. if this is so i hope a dm can comment on this tactic. perhaps it would be better to let a player spawn on a map and have the trap at the edge of the spawn instead of actually trapping the transition itself.

[DM_Olórin]

I cant speak for everyone but i have already commented on the positioning of the traps. Since the victims of the traps were raised the inappropriateness of their positioning is less significant but it wasnt advisable for them to be placed in such a way that those coming through the transition would automatically trigger them with no chance of spotting.

[thromnombulax]

Theres a quote on the back of this here Stealers Wheel LP that seems apt ;

" We know that you believe that you understand what you think we said, but we are not sure you realise that what you heard is not what we meant."

It's pretty easy to take OOC typing out of context and its such a damn good server that we all get a little too "involved" with our characters i reckon. Maybe we all need to "take a breath" before typing when the adrenilin is flowing, to prevent any misinterpretations or misunderstandings :)

[Argon Balros]

it would seem whining has become the biggest problem on this sever so i sugest a 500exp fine for whines on the forum and in the game.


that will sort it i'm sure :)

and valek your english is a dam sight better than my potuguise but some of the things you say can be very unclear and confusing, so don't critisise other players for misunderstanding you

[wyrmwrath]

I say we just feed them all to the badgers and be done with it.

[clone number 3]

Aye,

Let's insitigate a badger court and let our furry friends decide! (just keep them away from the pencils)

On a more serious note, what the hell has happened to the server I love over the last few weeks?
What once used to be a friendly and enjoyable place, now seems to be plagued with rule obsessed whingers!

Are these a vocal minority?
I can honestly say I have never had an ooc argument with any character here and I thought that was the norm.
I think some people should remember what we're all supposed to be here for - some quality RPing in an authentic Middle Earth setting.

I only post this because I believe that some of the behaviour recently is having a real detrimental effect at attracting new players (something we need and should get with the quality we have)

Sorry guys, but if banning a couple of whingers is for the best of the server, then I can see no problem with it. (or feed 'em to the badgers, whatever!)

[DM_Kev]

Definately a vocal minority who will be crushed if this persists! I have watched plenty of parties who are purely focused on what they are doing, rather than debating the rules in game.

I would suggest that people with rules queries they cannot solve, report to the irc channel or the forum where we can clarify. Its better than you debating rules on the server and spoling the atmosphere.

Our first larger event will take place this week, so eyes will be watching closely on whats going on ingame.

[Argon Balros]

please don't say its gonna be tuesday night cuz its me mate birthday so i won't be able to make it :(

[thromnombulax]

*clears diary of all engagements to ensure is free all nights*

[Argon Balros]

dam i feel ashamed at my lack of devotion :)

[DM_Kev]

Definately not Tuesday :)

[kobe]

*picks some flowers and gives them to all*

Ami is the cure, and love is my weapon ;)

Don't know for sure, but my character has been "picked on" the most, but I love it all the same. Like when Hex and his gang took me away and killed me, that was funny. He said it was an accident too which made it even funnier! They RP'd it well, and made it look like a sacrifice.

Or when I used to get all close and seductive with evil characters, only to be kneed or beaten in the face, also funny!

Something not in character though was when I was traveling with a group and "phased" through a wall, coming into contact with the boss -so to speak- and was put down in one hit. Funny ina frustrating kind of way, because I lost gold/xp but itit makes you realise (if you didn't before :P) that it's a game... purely for enjoyment and not for acting out your inner most fantasies.

Richie! It aint that bad, don't take it too personaly. You have a kind heart, and it comes through in game. It's great to see, but don't get caught up over it.

Sh!t happens, as they say. Look on the brighter side of things like Ami, and everyone will find that life in the game world is much more fun ;)

[DM_Olórin]

*Veld nods in agreement*

[Azmar]

Just to add a note...
When you day is going really bad.....
I find a few beers and counting to ten when things gets really bad helps alot. Then remember back in character and that you are dead..for whatever reason (stumbling into an ambush, a few evils just what to play footie with your testicles, a Dragon sits on your head after scaring the living daylights out of you etc)..no shouting, the inability to move, no emotion, RP that!...Works for me.

We all enjoy this damn game, the ups and downs should be taken as part of the experience...

Maybe all this comes with age?...as I am *coughs* thirty something.

So, if you find that you or others have an issue with a certain character class or alignment, try creating that class or alignment and play it.
It is the best way to understand actions of others in this world.

I created a sorcerer to see what all the fuss was about regarding the controls and restrictions of magic users. I can say, though my knowledge of an Arcane character before was zero, I enjoy playing this class. It feels like a character that has as much power as others I have played (sometimes more).
So next for me will be an Evil....It will be the first I have ever played, so this should be an experience.....for all of you! *smiles*

[Avalyn]

hell, im not old at all (18.) and i think i can roleplay an evil as evil and a good as good.

[Azmar]

Well Av it goes without saying, your are excluded.....:P

[DM_Olórin]

Reckon the issue is not one of how well people RP their characters its how personally they take their characters experiences when OOC.

Dealing with lifes ups and downs in RL teaches us more than any list of RPing tips or guidelines. Its why I play my lead character the way I do - those who know the fella know me basically - except I dont kill things *muses whimsically*, and I have to be pushed very very hard before I lose my rag... I find it easy enough to control my emotions when I have too, It comes with practice, the more you rant n rave the more upset you spread around those close to you.

Why would anyone want to do that? Its a tantrum for grown-ups.

[wyrmwrath]

"lose my rag...." ????

You brits are hilarious....

im getting that in a t shirt

[Argon Balros]

were hilarious have you seen your president? :)


!!!!!!!!!!!OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
politics
sorry :(

[Argon Balros]

joking aside some people do act very childish from time to time, i'm not talking about anyone inparticular,
the reason why is people tend to get emotionaly atached to their character as their character is based on themselves to some degree.

[morez]

What i love is theatre!

So there are also many dramas or movies where the best actor is the badboy

what i want to say is that if you are acting good but evil that's the best thing you can do

imagine a movie where the murderer just appears instantly kill the main person / the hero and disappears without any acting...
would you like this badboy? NO?

but there are many plots where i like the badboy much more than the goodman hero

It's not evil just to kill someone who is crossing your ways but it's that fine evil to play with your victim, lurk it into a trap (dilemma), RP it out, cheat someone, bring the goodmen into difficult situations
like the joke of Akbar and Jonalin on Yûshmar (have to post at 'what's going on in arda thread') which was definetly one of the best events i had :)

so please be evil..but remember... intregating, cheating (not ooc:)), ...; often can be more evil than just kill someone

PvP is fine i love it.. but it should be something special, a special event, something which has consequences for your char and his storyline, something which should be involved into the tale of your fate and should be remembered.
There shouldnt be any inflation of murders so it could be become unspecial and that's why i think PvP should be rare but there

so please be evil to my good chars though he doesnt like torture but i like to see him suffering :)

[kobe]

*brings some beers for next time*

[thromnombulax]

Just need to remember its RP, luvvie.
We cant have our way all the time eh; personally i find (being also a mature player) that a deep breath and scweaming scweaming scweaming till im sick helps on the old anger-management front.
What does "lose my rag" mean in the US wyrmwrath? Or do we *really not need to know*

[wyrmwrath]

well...rag reffers to some better left un discussed things in the femenine hygine area, however...I simply meant it was a funny phrase. Had nothing to do with local meaning.

And no I havent seen our president, the agents keep getting in the way of my night scope.....

[Argon Balros]

dam those agents

[DM_Olórin]

Ah.. you mean "on the rag"... it means that here too... :P

By "lose my rag", i was not referring to a misplaced jam sponge. I believe the etymology of the idiom harkens back to the phrase "like a red rag to a bull". And to "lose ones rag" is to simply "lose ones temper dear boy". ;)

Just for the record i like Mr. Bush. Being a bit of an atheist its nice to see that there is indeed a smooth evolutionary path between apes anf humans...

[clone number 3]

Olorin,

I cannot believe you used the phrase "jam sponge".

I'm stunned :eek:

[thromnombulax]

Heh, Jam Sponge is fine .. its when we add custard that it gets messy

*cough*

[ghost81]

*points to the exit and brandishes a pointy stick meaningfully*

[morez]

:spam:
i love phrases that sounds fine and i dont understand them :)
:spam:

[wyrmwrath]

First...you are all some sick F**ks...I love it.

Second, I knew what the term meant it was just very funny, I had never heard it. Im sheltered like that.

Third, If the butt pimple in the oval office is your definition if a smooth transition in evolution, im hoping you dont ever have to transfer my PCs for the server... Alexis might end up a male drarven bard with a 4 CHA or something.

P.S. Ghost, I have my certificate from the self defense against allailants with fresh fruit class, I fear not he pointed stick. Now large starfruits scare the poop out of me....

[DM_Olórin]

And i reckon Mr Bush is about halfway along said path.

If the phrase Jam Sponge is contentious... I offer for your consideration: Jelly Vest and Meat Sleet.

*bows and leaves hurriedly and severely off topic (was there one?)*

[Guyror]

You mean Alexis isn't a dwarven bard with a Cha of 4....

She even has the beard and moustache to match it. ;)

[wyrmwrath]

Note to self:

Kill the evil mage dressed like Ronald Mcdonald at the players ball...