Speed cheat - Jaff.de - VOTE NOW PLEASE!

[[RW]Lara]

Hello everyone.......

Ok, for WEEKS now, people have been bombing my ICQ to come kick a speed cheat from this server, that server, so I tonight.. very late btw, decided to ask a few questions to the man who EVERYONE I have spoken too got there hack from, Jaff.de

I was going to try and keep clam, but I felt myself losing it halfway through!

Please read it, see what you think, but IMHO, he shouldn't have released the hack period, and this is what I want you to vote on. Jaff.de seems convinced he did the right thing, I think that there were other ways to convince admins and servers to take action rather than the FORCEFUL approach adopted by Jaff.de

Was he right or wrong??? Have your say.......

This is now a FULL ICQ chat log, nothing removed, and as the speed hack is now available in more places than Tescos, I did want to leave the whole lot intact, but decided NOT to give away the locations just incase!!!

here it is................


jjaf.de: (12:59 AM) so, here i am now.

[RWA]Lara: (1:00 AM) Ok, I thought you were against the speed cheat?

jjaf.de: (1:00 AM) the reason for that was (like explaned in ...) the belief to better the system. And i think it worked.
jjaf.de: (1:00 AM) we have an increasing number of secured servers.

[RWA]Lara: (1:00 AM) yeah, but you now have clans using it too.. and it is STILL Available from you

jjaf.de: (1:01 AM) but you as a player now have a choice, where as you had none before. You can stop them cheating by telling the admin how.

[RWA]Lara: (1:02 AM) so it stops them cheating???

jjaf.de: (1:04 AM) The requirement for publishing of this was, that there was an antidode for that. When i discovered that monkey mod 1.25c was resistant there was no reason for publishing beacuse other mods were vilnerable (like assault), but the latest solution applies to _all_ servers, regartdless of mod or OS.
jjaf.de: (1:04 AM) so there was no reason for me to keep this secret any more. This was the policy from the first time on. I told this to everybody, and so it went this way.

[RWA]Lara: (1:05 AM) So why in that case is it that on wireplay Memorial server, I caught TWO clan members, of DIFFERENT clans, using it??

jjaf.de: (1:06 AM) Because these players are *****. And nobody told the wireplay-admin which 2 lines to include in the config, no big deal.

[RWA]Lara: (1:06 AM) its been posted everywhere

jjaf.de: (1:07 AM) everybody can have this information. thats better than before that some had it and the most stood mightless. Now you can couter or inhibit this, i feel that as an improvement, what do you think? Was it better before?
jjaf.de: (1:08 AM) What has been postet,t houg, the patched "kingpin.exe" or the URL?

[RWA]Lara: (1:08 AM) well Monkey Harris had it sussed in days, so I cannot say.. I am a bit surprised that u decided to go public in the USA, and gave a link to where it could be downloaded, why do that??

jjaf.de: (1:09 AM) in the USA? Why USA?
jjaf.de: (1:11 AM) Maybe its beacuse this moral standard for hackers-link is in german only.
It includes (as described in ...) that theres a rule that all information is free when theres also a belief that ... in this case this applied in this point of time.

[RWA]Lara: (1:13 AM) well, you had your reasons, are you a wp admin?

jjaf.de: (1:13 AM) then wireplay would not have had any problems with cheaters would they?
jjaf.de: (1:13 AM) Monkey Harris knew the solution and he did not tell them i don't know why.
jjaf.de: (1:14 AM) ... but he told me that in my weekend off there was cheating on wireplay.

[RWA]Lara: (1:14 AM) Like you, maybe he had his own agenda. Are you an ADMIN for wireplay?
jjaf.de: (1:15 AM) No, i have no relations to them.
jjaf.de: (1:15 AM) why is that important to you and why are you in privacy mode asking me where i was hiding before :-)

LINK REMOVED HERE SORRY!!!!!

[RWA]Lara: (1:18 AM) It is only important to me as I didnt think a wireplay admin would act in such a manner, and I am invisable because I am off to bed now, as its 1.15am, and I dont want anymore late night chats

jjaf.de: (1:19 AM) I suppose thats the reason for fileplanet not to have the link finished by now, but theres no xatrix any more and it's just a patch.
jjaf.de: (1:20 AM) I just get the question from australia: "hey are u allowed 2 cheat in severs??" isn't that nice.
jjaf.de: (1:21 AM) As an admin i would secure the server and then publish the patch.

[RWA]Lara: (1:21 AM) Hey heres a test for you....... if you are SO SURE that what you have done is 100% correct, in your opinion, why not post on the gameplay forums, in the Kingpin section , and tell all the people that read that forum what you have done, including going onto a US server and supplying the link to the cheat which is WAS on your server but has now been removed

jjaf.de: (1:23 AM) gameplay forum was on the track from the start. It's in the first parapgraph of the FAQ. When Monkey Harris told me that there were ppl having questions about that i posted my link today midday already.
jjaf.de: (1:24 AM) I know that some ppl have another opinion about that, as long as they discuss that thats okay.

[RWA]Lara: (1:25 AM) yeah but did u tell them on the forums YOU were supplying the link to where people could download the file from, did you tell them the file was available from you??? Did u say you had used it yourself in a game, and then told everyone in that game where they could get it from?

jjaf.de: (1:27 AM) No, i have the "Requently Asked Questions" (F-A-Q) for that,. That was the link i supllied as F-A-Q. And i have no reason to say that i used it in _game_. I was asked to come on a seperate server for demo, that's what i did.
jjaf.de: (1:28 AM) i just notice something.

[RWA]Lara: (1:29 AM) it doesnt say anywhere in the FAQ that you tell people on the servers that you can suppy the cheat itself, nor does it say that that you have openly used it ingame, MORE THAN ONCE, nor does it say that if people ask you for the cheat, you willingly give it to them, and i can prove the last one if you require it

jjaf.de: (1:29 AM) Looks like gameplay forum admin censored this messages, i can not see it at the place i put it anymore.
jjaf.de: (1:30 AM) did you reload that page (is it the update of today, showing in the line direcly unter the header before contents?)

[RWA]Lara: (1:31 AM) It doesnt matter, you have updated the FAQ yes?

jjaf.de: (1:31 AM) Yes at least on --21 and today. because the requirements were met.

[RWA]Lara: (1:32 AM) what requirements are these
[RWA]Lara: (1:32 AM) you havent answered my previous questions btw..............

jjaf.de: (1:32 AM) It says everything you mentioned execpt of "openly usage in game more than oce" what do you mean by that? have you seen a jjaf.de cheating somewhere, maybe this weekend, maybe on wireplay?

[RWA]Lara: (1:33 AM) there is a demo of it somewhere, and no, not this weekend, a week or so ago

jjaf.de: (1:33 AM) Your anser is the second paragraph of Q-7 "According of the ethics ..."

[RWA]Lara: (1:34 AM) The FAQ is only to suit you isnt it???

jjaf.de: (1:34 AM) ... and where should that have been? Actively using it or just running around, leaving with 0 frags 0 deposit.

[RWA]Lara: (1:35 AM) NOT USING IT AT ALL!
[RWA]Lara: (1:36 AM) The original FAQ said nothing about the items I mentioned above, IE using it - Supplying it - and giving it to people who ask for it.. correct?????

jjaf.de: (1:36 AM) hmm? I tell you something. I have an original "kingpin.exe" here and a "kingpin-speed-patched.exe" version i did for someone not able to reproduce the text on the hack page. Can you imageine wich version is taken when launching from gamespy? The original unpatched one..

[RWA]Lara: (1:37 AM) and how long does it take to rename the file?

jjaf.de: (1:38 AM) The original FAQ had the same text for Q-4 "Do you use it in game?" and Q-5 "Why don' t you ..."
I did say i _won't_ supply the cheat until theres a cure for it. according to the moral standards blah blah..
jjaf.de: (1:39 AM) Explicitly it said in "Do you give it do me": "No." <explanation>
jjaf.de: (1:40 AM) What do you mean by "The FAQ is only to suit you isnt it???"

[RWA]Lara: (1:41 AM) The FAQ was only written by you I think to try and cover yourself, in reality, it only ever suited you, you knew that eventually there would be a way to stop the cheats, but you had the cheat before this, and you released it to people KNOWING that the protection wasnt in place on the servers, so you have really used it to your own ends

jjaf.de: (1:41 AM) The explanation was that there was no cure for that so that was the reason not to publish before. As i said efore even them i dicovered monkey mod of special version resistant this was not sufficient for publishing.
jjaf.de: (1:43 AM) I released it to ppl when protection was not in place on most servers, thats right. Q-/ (second paragraph) again explains why this happened. (you can not reach every admin iof every server n the first place , as most don't publish _any_ address (not http nor smtp) but you don't have to.)
jjaf.de: (1:44 AM) Q-7 i mean

[RWA]Lara: (1:44 AM) you have been telling everyone for at least the last two weeks where they can get the cheat from, and how to use it, and there are STILL servers without protection, so you said that you would NOT release it until a cure was found, thats to suit YOU ONLY, a cure was found, but takes time to administor, so why not put all this on the forums and leave it to your public to decide........ NO I THOUGHT NOT!

jjaf.de: (1:45 AM) With all this you mean only the "cure"-side, not the "hack"-side.
jjaf.de: (1:46 AM) But how would you let the public decide? do you have a polling system, and what vote qould be needed?

[RWA]Lara: (1:46 AM) You released a hack KNOWING it could be used on the servers

jjaf.de: (1:46 AM) it's only 5 days that i published ithe hack not 2 weeks.

jjaf.de: (1:47 AM) yes, by purposes as descibed in Q-7

[RWA]Lara: (1:47 AM) OVER A WEEK AGO you were on the USA servers telling them where to get the hack from

Tell u what, I will do it for you mate, see what the people of the KP community think of it ok

[RWA]Lara: (1:48 AM) why do you keep throwing up your FAQ??? That was made BY YOU, not the KP community

jjaf.de: (1:48 AM) What will you do? Let me check for the right date.
jjaf.de: (1:48 AM) what do yuo mean by throwing up?

[RWA]Lara: (1:49 AM) You keep saying >>>>>Q7 >>>>> Q3

It is made by you, you are simply trying to reason with yourself and use it as a valid explination as to why you did what you did

jjaf.de: (1:49 AM) i did the screenshots on --19T22:09 must have been early --20 when they got published.

[RWA]Lara: (1:50 AM) and when u found out that it was wrong you updated it!

jjaf.de: (1:50 AM) i updated it from "what"(?) to this version?

[RWA]Lara: (1:50 AM) You tell me

jjaf.de: (1:51 AM) You had the old version in your cache, not me anymore. I told you what i changed.

[RWA]Lara: (1:52 AM) it changed because??????

jjaf.de: (1:52 AM) The news changed.

[RWA]Lara: (1:52 AM) the news being???

jjaf.de: (1:53 AM) Q-10 evolved. with Q-10 in place i wrote the hacklpage.

[RWA]Lara: (1:53 AM) the news didnt change until when?

jjaf.de: (1:53 AM) and it was changed before when monkey mod resistance was discobered.
jjaf.de: (1:53 AM) hehe, ok i will look it up.
jjaf.de: (1:55 AM) --19, FAQ was also infuenced by harris teeling me to delte the root-link to his page and someone else to t´delte his name from the story.

[RWA]Lara: (1:55 AM) so u believe that you were right to allow people access to the hack, even though you knew damm well that the servers had no protection in place???

jjaf.de: (1:56 AM) at this time 410 servers were secure, the day after there were 10 more.
jjaf.de: (1:56 AM) 10 i mean
jjaf.de: (1:57 AM) i knew of the otheres unsecured.
jjaf.de: (1:57 AM) so that was the reason for publishing the link on servers with both information pro/contra.

[RWA]Lara: (1:57 AM) that didnt answer the question, you just evaded it, DO YOU THINK you were right in releasing the hack to anyone who wanted it when YOU KNEW there were unprotected servers

jjaf.de: (1:58 AM) Yes, beacuse that was the distribution method for the cure also. Otherwise admins would not have taken this urgent config.change.
jjaf.de: (1:59 AM) How do you get an admin to change his configuration to safe? Tell me.

[RWA]Lara: (1:59 AM) Thats what I wanted to know - do you think the people who will read this will think you acted responsibly?

jjaf.de: (2:00 AM) Not all.
jjaf.de: (2:00 AM) But some already told me that it was ok.
jjaf.de: (2:00 AM) It's a controversy.

[RWA]Lara: (2:00 AM) lets have a guess ... precentage wise???
jjaf.de: (2:00 AM) hmm.
jjaf.de: (2:01 AM) most ppl. did't say anything. the rest is quite a bit lager group for pros than for contras (like you).
Although one has to say that the intensity of the discssion is much higher with contras.

[RWA]Lara: (2:02 AM) and the ones that told you it was ok, they know you have been giving the cheat out?? or that you have had the cheat a while, or that you have even been on the USA servers telling people where to get it from?

jjaf.de: (2:04 AM) Whats the problem wih USA servers? The information is written in english and kinpin-language, what is the difference then? What sertvers do you mean?
I asked some ppl were they did get the URL from and they said someone on an australian server told them, not me.
jjaf.de: (2:05 AM) They stated ok to give the cheat out. The most didn't like the fact that i had the cheat for a while before (that was the reason to create the FAQ in the first place (as descibed ...), but you won't believe.

[RWA]Lara: (2:05 AM) but you were still telling them, and maybe the problem spread because you were telling them?? How many of there servers were insecure against this cheat?? U didnt have to supply them with the link to the file did ypu, so WHY tell them???

jjaf.de: (2:05 AM) BTW: Did contact security developers before that.

[RWA]Lara: (2:06 AM) well, I will post this chat in its WHOLE form, and then ask the people who care about the game to vote as to whether or not you acted responsibly, is that OK???

jjaf.de: (2:07 AM) I was asked by some players how to stop others from cheating.
jjaf.de: (2:07 AM) I told them i will have a look. That's what came up: Now theres a solution and publishing the hack is for two reasons:
jjaf.de: (2:08 AM) 1. Making information free when theres no considerable permanent threat to the system.
jjaf.de: (2:09 AM) 2 Push the admins to secure their servers to make the system better (wich iIMHO i achieved

[RWA]Lara: (2:09 AM) Ok well i will post all this and see what happens OK

jjaf.de: (2:10 AM) you mean this threat you will post on gameplay.com (let's hope they won't censore this again, like my own messages)?
jjaf.de: (2:10 AM) Did it have any new information not already on the page?
[RWA]Lara: (2:10 AM) I will post all of this, and see what the gamers say..... ok?
jjaf.de: (2:11 AM) Yes, do that, it's ok, just tell me where.

[RWA]Lara: (2:11 AM) ok.. later ...........

jjaf.de: (2:12 AM) They didn't have the chance to see my view due to cencorship.

[RWA]Lara: (2:12 AM) ok.. I will see where it went........

jjaf.de: (2:12 AM) But you won't include the URL so ppl might get the impression i _invented_ that thing.

[RWA]Lara: (2:14 AM) As you say, you beleive you were right to let the thing into release, and it was on your server, so what is the problem publishing the URL?

jjaf.de: (2:15 AM) I wuld like to publish that, but i see that gamesplay.com formum admin didn't like that and censored my whole message (it's deleted) so this might happen to your posting too if you include the URL.

[RWA]Lara: (2:15 AM) Ok, I will see what happens!



And that was that... god im fuked But I HOPE that at least some of you are of the same opinion as me, he was wrong! The file for the hack was actual available for download over a week ago, but he removed it due to pressure I beleive!

Anyways, I really care about this game, so I would like you all to have your say, if you think he did it right tell him so, but I for one do not think this..... and I do not think for a minute im alone!

[RWA]Lara

[jjaf.de]

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[jjaf.de]

Just read your comment you added to the log.

Do you know an URL of this pre-release? You know this patch was there _before_ i discovered it (as descibed in ...), maybe someone of the ppl posessing it before maintined that URL weeks before?

Were did the pressure come from you mention?

You know my URLs (in fact two) are easy to track on me, they both have impressum on them. I don't hold any free anonymous webspace accounts and the URLs are really tied to my name, so you can really say if it was me or not. I would quote the URL but due to censorship i won't. :-)

[millymog]

well , i think its wrong to start with , use skill not cheats.
but once one peson has the thing its better to that all have it or a solution is found.
I personaly cant understand why people want to cheat, once a cheat is found to be ture, eveyone is acusing everyone else of being a cheat, whether they are just good or cheating, I do know that all this hacking and cheating, and general bad atitude towards other players has spoiled my kingpin game, it will never be how it used to be in the begining.
As soon as something better comes along i wont play kp again , so thanks hackers for messing up something i used to love

[K FLINT]

jjaf.de: (2:12 AM) They didn't have the chance to see my view due to cencorship.

Erm, well if your idea of a 'view' is to blatently spam a link to a cheat accross four threads then I feel very sorry for you - THATS MY VIEW and as a mod of this message board with nothing but the good interests of the game at heart I removed said links and will continue to do so until the Gameplay servers have anti-speedcheat measures in operation.

So, as if you need ask, in answer to Lara's question above I think you are a knobber who needs to get a life and keep your seedy little cheats out of the public domain. What's the problem - your crap at the game so you take out your fustrations by ruining everybody elses?

If you really want to do something useful (which I very much doubt) then concentrate your efforts on sorting out an antidote to the 'Pinball & Rat' cheats out there - then come and tell the admins of your achievement and maybe this game can begin to be great again.

K FLINT

[K FLINT]

I would quote the URL but due to censorship i won't

Thats the most sensible thing you have ever said.

K FLINT

[jjaf.de]

Originally posted by K FLINT
Erm, well if your idea of a 'view' is to blatently spam a link to a cheat accross four threads [...]

When four threads are discussing the same subject that is answered in my FAQ-page, which covers both sides incl. an admin section then i feel this is less traffic than having another x posts in antoher y threads unless you of course just close the topics. I culdn't foresee that :-)

[...] I removed said links and will continue to do so until the Gameplay servers have anti-speedcheat measures in operation.

... which could have been there since 2000-09-20 like all the other admins incl. Demon UK did.

So, as if you need ask, in answer to Lara's question above I think you are a knobber who needs to get a life and keep your seedy little cheats out of the public domain. What's the problem - your crap at the game so you take out your fustrations by ruining everybody elses?

I commented this emotional outbreak at the other thread already. Looking at the text i wonder who is frustrated here.

If you really want to do something useful (which I very much doubt) then concentrate your efforts on sorting out an antidote to the 'Pinball & Rat' cheats out there - then come and tell the admins of your achievement and maybe this game can begin to be great again.

Yes, thats a good idea. Sadly i could not experience this on any server i play on (maybe since wireplay does not list in the new secure-server-filter), but i can try i on my development server. Shure there's an easy solution to that as it is to speed-cheat.

BTW: One still has the problems to reach all admins (like i said in the ICQ-log on 01:43). Do you have an idea for that?

So if anyone has any information regarding this subject feel free to contact me.

[Edited by jjaf.de on 26-09-2000 at 04:11 AM]

[chaff]

i was always told from day one of kingpin it wasnt possible to make cheats.the worrying thing is that if a cheat has been made for running faster which runs on all servers,one could be made for everything(health,armour,weapons,ammo).
maybe these unexplained moments of the past can now be solved.

[K FLINT]

which could have been there since 2000-09-20 like all the other admins incl. Demon UK did

Well I don't want to get into a slanging match with you, I've had my say and you have replied with your views but what I would just like to point out is that I have no control over when servers get updated with with the latest of anything - whether it be new mods/maps/skins etc... thats in the hands of the employee's at Gameplay - not the volunteers like myself.

K FLINT

[EVILBUNNY]

ehhhhh.........what a silly little attention seeking twerp. real clever man, really f'ing clever.

nice1 BTW Lara.

[PUMBA!]

At the end of the day the guy cant excuse himself for what he done, the amount of **** this has caused is unbelievable,and the amounto of time people have put into it, ie monkey chanin the mod, KPP kickin people left right and centre, and dont forget the people like me, just wnatin a decent game of kp, and to find a little speedy tit comin past, so nice of jaffa cake, go and sit in the corner and think about what you have done.

[[B-R]Rayzor]

The guy is a first class *****.

He has this disillusionment that he has created a speed hack"for the good of the community" to secure servers????

What a total knobhead

[[UW] JennyCide]

Funny, when the first mention of the speed cheat came up - I could still get a good game on the servers, there was only rare occasions when someone would cheat and it was fairly easy to kick them. I even went to jaff.de's site to read the info about the cheat - I was interested to understand it but had no desire to have or use the cheat. At that time the cheat wasn't posted on the site, just a discussion of it and the cure. I had no problem with that.
Then the tw@t posts the cheat itself and for the last week I haven't been able to get a decent game anywhere.
Thanks to jaff.de & the other ppl who have been ruining this game for me - most ppl know of my fondness for the B&H curse/assault mods, even this has now been ruined by ppl who should know better.
Don't give me that "freedom of information" "code of honour" bullsh1t. It just doesn't cut it, like I said b4, I went to your site to get info which I got, I was satisfied with that - then you screw it up by actually giving out the cheat.
PAH! Dickwad!

[Khadaffi]

edited..

I'm getting a little tired of your comments K





[Edited by COPcc on 26-09-2000 at 08:19 PM]

[[K]RobRoy]

Although it aint much fun having ppl running about fast as fuk it was better to get the hack out into the open rather than just a few ppl having it.

My reason for this is because
If only a few ppl had this hack it would be more difficult to combat, making everyone more pissed off.
now that the speed hack has been released Monkey Harris has been able to create a patch that stops ppl using it.

It definatley could have been handled a better way than it was, but what is done is done and it has been countered.

JMHO

[Intron]

i think the reason he did it was the lack of action on any server admins part as most people that run the servers are quite arogant on the fact that you cant harm there server and cant cheat on it. Just like it used to be on CS before people proved and had to distribute aimbots TO get action to make sure it was imposible to stop. ok cheating incrased 10 fold when this happend but then suddenly droped and is now almost ono exsistent now and then same hopefully for kingpin as the game had a fare few simelar exsploites in it and this should plug the hole.

But then ends dont justifi the means. you cant kill 4 to save 1,000 in lamans terms it dont work.

[[ELE]Dr. Dre]

Well, I am still waiting to see who the "pros" for wot jaff.de did come out of the closet - unless he is meaning ppl like khadaffi.

i hope u enjoy all this attention u r getting now jaff, but now taht this is blown over, u are left with a reputation of being at the centre of one of the lamest things to ever happen in Kingpin, making u, yes, u guessed it, the lamest thing to ever happen to kingpin.

now piss off our forums u *****

[<doh!>mEXX]

i know u blame me for that .......

spreading cheats is fuvk , but i think what jaff had done doesnt ruin kingpin.
he spread the hack AND he also give the cure against it.
funny, i found a speedhack-link 1h ago in a GUESTBOOK of a wellknown kingpingang!
i just tried the speedhack on my small homelan , and wow its so simple ...
after setting up the server with set sv_enforcetime "1" no more speeding !!
so why we are talking so long about that speeds-thing when the cure is that easy!

just insert a line in the server.cfg

i think jaff cares about kingpin and with spreading that cheap trick he wanted 2 wake
the server admins to do something.

here my wishlist:

do something against

*servercrasher
*suicide raiders
*blockers
*spammers

hope that bagman-anti-suicide mod works too, that would be a big improvemend
for my favorite game !!


cya

mEXX

[Pedro]

Pesonaly I think its a pile of PISH!!!!

They are ruining one of the best online games ever with there friggin rubbish!!!

He should never have distributed the hack and his excuse is the lamest ive heard yet!!!!

Well done Lara for going to so much trouble


Ped

[Pero]

For all KP-gamers !!!

Very good Players dont need Cheats, paaaahhh
Newbies need cheats to solve their bad skillprobs

Cu and play fair, coz the KPgames loose the good Players and they change to another Game.

[[RW]mutabor]

i'm just glad to hear that cure against this fecking cheat will be on servers soon.
and what about smart ppl making cheats? they better use their skills in making mods.

[Swany]

you also have to look at this from the other side peeps.ok, i know for a fact jaff didnt MAKE the cheat, i was on a server with him when he first saw it and was a shocked as i was, so for u peeps accusing him off doing it in the first place. your wrong.
him putting it up on the webby tho is just lame, as far as i understand it jjaf, the reason u put it up was so that people could get it to make a fix for it. if thats what u wanted then why not just send the cheat to mod makers and peeps like monkey?
but like i said peeps, look at it from the otrher side, if it wasnt for jjaf making it readily available then i bet this cheat would still be going on without a fix, u seriously think that *****s like redbull would have gave out a fix? i dont.
remember that jjaf is also the same guy who fixed the kickban problem we used to have.
im not backing him here, just pointing out the other side to the bias ones.

Swany

[jjaf.de]

like my "kingpin bagman enhanced project" (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpbmenh/) i did the days when *l*cker* started to cheat with suicide kills in enemy safe (abount -07) and [RW]Lara complained about this?

Will be extended to include the features requested in the feature/bug-posts there (armor visualisation by skin for example), already has some other features that can change the game like dropable money.

[jjaf.de]

Originally posted by Swany
you also have to look at this from the other side peeps.ok, i know for a fact jaff didnt MAKE the cheat, i was on a server with him when he first saw it and was a shocked as i was, so for u peeps accusing him off doing it in the first place. your wrong.

thx finally someone to post a fact about [RW]Laras acusation of publishing it the time i even did not have it.

him putting it up on the webby tho is just lame, as far as i understand it jjaf, the reason u put it up was so that people could get it to make a fix for it. if thats what u wanted then why not just send the cheat to mod makers and peeps like monkey?

That's the point. What you can not see and is only known to the ppl who read the FAQ in the evolution is that i posted there the attempts i made to contact security-authors like the author of BW-Admin right away by ICQ and email.

I also contacted "Monkey Harris" when i got requests on this forum (threat does not exist any more) to visit some servers running "monkey mod 1.25c" to check against hack. (this was about --19 i think).

By the time i published the situation was like this:
-"monkey mod v1.25c" and above were secure and running on some servers.
-"Monkey Harris" agreed to give me the detection code for me implementing in bw-admin for myself.
-Demon UK did secure their servers already (though not using the rule below)
-bw-admin had detection code in it that was disabled but author said he could enable again
-most important: simple 2 line (even 1 if you do not count the publishing of the rule "fix" does contain "speed".) solution was working:

set sv_enforcetime "1"
set fix "speed" s

I published at night, starting the text with the following note wich was not modified since:

"Note: admins can go directly to Q-10: I am a server-admin. How can i secure my server?, players to Q-13: Where do i find speed-hack-secure servers? and cheaters to Q-9: How is it done?, hackers read the whole thing."

When i got up the next day 10 more servers admins had secured their servers. Since then a growing number of admins did and also contacted me for the counter measures. The ppl requesting info on detection i routed to "Monkey Harris", since he had IMHO the better code than bw-admin i had a look at.

I also notice an increase on servers having "monkey mod" installed, too.

but like i said peeps, look at it from the otrher side, if it wasnt for jjaf making it readily available then i bet this cheat would still be going on without a fix, u seriously think that *****s like redbull would have gave out a fix? i dont.

That's exactly the reson you can read on my page.

remember that jjaf is also the same guy who fixed the kickban problem we used to have.

Yes, "kickban" and "suicide", by now. Now exploring this "pinball"-problem.

im not backing him here, just pointing out the other side to the bias ones.

That's what i miss here too. The other side. My - incomplete - abstract of this thread is this:

"contras" yelling emotional acusations and just bad words at me without contemplating the whole (both sides).

"pros" arguing significantly more rational giving a more contemplated view.

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Mmmmmmm so how did he know what had been changed? where exactly it had been changed etc, he was the one who put the thing for download. Yes he did a FAQ section but still ffs he created the fúcker.