Help Keep Quake 1 Alive..

[jaymetz]

Dont worry Blito, we all do it...

yes QW is alive, but haave you noticed that there aer really only the hardcore players left..

we need new blood, i mean how people can like Quake 2 i just dont know, fine i can understand with Quake 3, but Quake 2 is just crap...

The Quake Revolution is upon us, The Big Move...

QUAKE .1.

Jamie

[Wazoo]

hi, i still play sometimes (badly)

except i wont be around for a few weeks, as i've ****ed up my left hand, tried playing qw this evening and it hurts like fook i might make it for next weeks wpffa, sorry to all that i missed this sundays

[blito]

was you sitting on it to turn it numb in preparation for your next visit to http://www.demoncumsquirters.com ?

[jaymetz]

Wazoo, u r not the only player to b bad at playing quake, unfortunatly i cannot practice on my pc, because i have Windows 2000....

can any one tell me that is i downlaod the patch for
Quake 1.8 will it uprade my quake 1.1/2 so it works under windows 2000.

Thanks

Jamie

[jaymetz]

Hello (again)

Is everyone in school???

The forums are very quiet, mind you i havnt been on during the week b4.

well hello if u r in school

Jamie

[RaGGaSH1T]

Right.

Mods are easy. TCs on the other hand are a ablody nightmare.

As for people not being able to take the time, myself and Jamie can be bothered. Enough with the negative vibes scumbag.

Now anyone who wants to help please let us know. With you or without you we will do what needs to be done.
Any one on wireplay make maps?
Anyone on Wireplay code?
If so then get them to this forum.

====Ragga]GoLd[====
http://www.teenfirst.com/clangold

[cons]

Skum is just trying to inject a note of realism into the proceedings.

Shouldnt you guys be playing UT or something?

[rags]

I think it's good that you guys are positive about trying to "revive" quake 1... but, saying all that, it really won't happen. I'm coming from the same point of view as skumbag (notice the K) i.e. several years of playing div 1 quake, playing in europe and socialising with the people who have written the best mods around and run the leagues.

The resources are there, the problem is, noone wants to use them. CS and Q3 (to a lesser degree) dominate, people play whatever the 'scene' is interested in, and that *isn't* QW. Saying that, QW hasn't died either, it's just very very small. I'm assuming QuakeWorld here as that is the famous/"best" version of it available, but some of your comments lead me to think you might play NQ/RQ, if so you might be beyond help , dunno. Anyway lemme cover various points made.

Maps: there are absolutly loads of maps, and it's very difficult to make a good, fair and fun map. It isn't hard to make a map, but amazingly hard to make one people will play. try scanning http://www.planetquake.com in the q1 section, tons of good maps.

Skins: does anyone use these anymore? as far as i know anyone who plays competative QW uses fullbrights.

Mods: the only mod that I can see is in demand is a new Clan Arena mod based around KTeams. In reply to X-Cell about his suggestiong for a mod, have you *seen* KTeams??? It does that and more, the idea of having a rotating permanent 4on4 is ridiculous. In KTeams, just get 8 players, admin hits "rpickup", people ready up, play, gg. Not that hard is it?

Servers: BarrysWorld run the best servers in the UK, if they feel bad to you, consider for a moment that it might be *your* connection that is fuqqed, not theirs. Post info on how you play on BW and we (me/skum/oppy whoever) will help and troubleshoot. Perhaps you guys don't have a full list of all the TP servers around as the BarrysWorld master doesn't quite cut the mustard anymore and I hate to think what the WP master has on it. My advice for keeping your quake game going strong is to dump WP, there's really nothing there anymore (soz lads).

Putting maps on servers: yes this is a lame situation, BarrysWorld are complete tools for who they make their QW admins... Lecter, Horus and NOW Thantos, LOL? It would help to have one admin with rcon & preferably cmdline access who actually knows quake, has a brain and has a clue what those playing it want. Sigh. Wireplay lacks the cmdline access i assume.

Alternative servers: Skum (with a K), please get dn a priv tp @ psi and maybe a pub tp too, kthx kisses etc.

Gold: it's great to see enthusiasm, but without the players and nothing to draw them back, it AIN'T happening. My advice is to try and move into the existing QW scene in the UK with the likes of Dn/TSW/Jams/a2k/4k + million littler clans. Also you will probably find that most of 'us' are older than 16 years old, and probably aren't in class/gcse or somet (anyone else see teenfirst.com as http://www.teenfist.com ? kik!). For info on UK Quake clans see the major uk league, http://hosted.barrysworld.net/ukcl/.

Running servers: 2mbit minimum on a 2k/nt/linux machine with 128mb+ on a fast backbone, otherwise it's poo (can you say 20pl?). But again, the servers aren't the problem, more than enough exist already.

Metal: I'd agree quakec is dead simple, but actually using it to make something worth a salt is hard, timeconsuming and at this point, not worth the effort. See http://www.kteam.co.uk for your mod needs.

Again i apologize for raining on the parade and dropping the negative messages, but I'm coming from a standpoint as one of the most "visible" uk quake players around (i know that sounds arrogant, but it's due to longevity not skill btw), and QW has been dying and in a state of ressurection for a good year and a half. We've tried hard to make it more attractive, bring things back, but it just keeps chugging along at more or less a steady userbase. It's way too late to reverse the flow now, the only thing that would do it is big $$$, but that won't happen. There is still a vibrant European quake scene to emerse yourself in, see http://www.challenge-smackdown.com which is the home of CHSD a worldwide QW league for clans, coming towards the final of the northern european div. You'll find clans like E/TVS/FF in there, i'm sure the demos will keep you busy.

To sum up: The players go where the activity/scene/money/glory is - and that ain't and won't ever be QW (as much as I personally love it). SO i'd say avoid the hassle and just enjoy what we have while it lasts and then move onto something decent when it's created - i mean, c'mon, it's bound to happen sometime, just by the law of averages . But hey, feel free to prove me wrong and singlehandidly ressurect quake where dozens of others have failed, I'll buy you a pint (of coke seeing as you're 16?) if you do.

Failing all that you can always drop FPS and go play StarWars: Galaxies come 2002... I know I will.

rags

clan denial
http://www.daddied.com
http://www.daddied.com/demos

"that's a long-ass post!"

[jaymetz]

In response to Rags post, Quake 1 is still played, maybe more than you think...

although quake 1 has gone on for many many years, and has survived alot longer than other games, and although servers are going down, and people say they are crap..

There are High Speed servers @ http://www.dnagames.net

okay, so there arent very many, QW servers on it, but they are fast, and they have stats, so you know what is going on in the game, with regards to ho is playing.....

by the way, r u some big server admin from another company?? (just askin, because u seem 2 know tons)

well this is considerably much smaller then Rags post..

Jamie

Ragga R U Still ON?????

[Skumbag]

I er

Right.

'What cons and rags said', basically, but a few points:

In response to Rags post, Quake 1 is still played, maybe more than you think...

By this do you mean QW, or Winquake? Because we have a fairly good idea about how much QW is played, because the scene has got to the stage where everyone knows everyone else, even those dodgy cheating mofos in Spain and Russia

If you mean Winquake/NQ, then um, sorry but that doesn't really count. Quakeworld evolved, NQ didn't. Quakeworld is worth playing online, NQ er isn't.

There are High Speed servers @ http://www.dnagames.net

Ping statistics for 194.46.8.19:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 3, Lost = 1 (25% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 70ms, Maximum =  81ms, Average =  57ms

On BW dialup.

by the way, r u some big server admin from another company?? (just askin, because u seem 2 know tons)

It's a combination of knowing server admins and having several years experience with servers, etc, plus some technical knowledge (I'm in a clan with a bunch of IT administrators ffs :/ )

Alternative servers: Skum (with a K), please get dn a priv tp @ psi and maybe a pub tp too, kthx kisses etc.

I'm gonna run out of Newcastle Brown Ale to bribe him with soon, have to get Kara to ship me a batch

[jaymetz]

OKAY

Originally posted by Skumbag
the scene has got to the stage where everyone knows everyone else.

This is the problem i am addressing, there are not enough players, so we must recruit more players, so it is more fun 4 others 2 play......

Jamie

[Skumbag]

The reason why there are very few new people playing quake is because it's old, it's ugly (imo GLQW @ 1280 res is lovely, but hey), and everyone smashes the **** out of people not used to the game's pace.

[X Cell]

Thanks for your comments on my idea rags.

Yes I have *seen* kteams, its excellent mod, any1 would think I said it was **** or something.

I was only placing my suggestion based on 1st post on what I thought would be a fun mod. It’s not as if I'm forcing someone to code it.

If auto map rotation so ridiculous then why is it so popular in over games like CS, UT and er FFA? Is it because it keeps the games flowing?

"In KTeams, just get 8 players, admin hits "rpickup", people ready up, play, gg. Not that hard is it?"

- "just get 8 players"
That’s real easy to do these days!

- "admin hits "rpickup"
I said fair teams based on results of the last round (I dunno if its pos). U saying that u have never sat in a server for a good 10-20 minutes waiting for ppl to choose teams and a map? I just thought the server could do that for u to save messing around.

- "people ready up"
time is often wasted here waiting for ppl to type ready. Better off like FFA where u do not need to ready up.


It may not be a mod for the "l33t" but it maybe good for a few enjoyable games and not have to spend most the time in prewar.

[Yeti]

Hmm, I honestly do see a real possibility of there being a large global qw tourney in the next few years, kind of a TGI2 thing. However whether this will attract more players is debatable

[Yeti]

Purely by coincidence I've just been to the smackdown site and seen this CPL duel tourney. Doesnt seem to be quite the same calibre of players as the original TGI tho
Bit of money on offer tho..

[Skumbag]

Read the "QW and CPL. Oh joy." article on Jjonez's column.

[jaymetz]

there seems 2 b a larger turn out to this forum than i expected, it looks like we could be spear heading the revival of a slowly dieing game...

Ragga and i are working on finding new servers and looking into making new maps+mods..

Rags... although there are not many skin makers about, Clangold has 2/3 skin designers, but it is mostly clans who use them...

Thanks Again

Jamie

[cons]

But didnt you just read what he said? Everybody uses fullbrights and have done for ages!

[AcidicFish]

I think someone probably needs to explain fullbrights for him

[Lungb0y]

I'm thinking of coming back to my beloved QW, so i'm sure it won't be long before everyone is on there way here.
Loads of people have been going on about the "death of QW" for ages now, and it never happens, just like people go on about a revival, which also never happens. Face it, the community isn't going to get much bigger/smaller in the forseeable future, unless summat drastic happens like people finally realise how ****e Q3, UT, HL, CS etc are compared to our beautiful game(says me who plays in 320*200 sw ).

[Lungb0y]

Just read that link Skum posted.
And i quote: Wouldn't this further deteriorate the image of QW (which is only played by people who are unable to adapt to change and can't master any of the new games)?
WHAT THE **** IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

[cons]

I think hes talking about the perception, dude.

[Target]

As a Q2 player ive been reading on here bout ur probs with QW,some1 said words to the effect of "HOW can ppl play Q2 its crap" i think exactly the same about QW,i think main prob is the ppl who r left playin QW, they are so damn good at it ,do u really think ur gonna get many newbies playin? i consider myself average at most FPS games but QW...no way im lucky to get 1 kill in a whole map.

Its to dark ,damned if i can brighten it up,players so good its unbeliveable,hard work sortin binds out cos of the weird numbers instead of names like in Q2,Q3 and no doubt u all have little extras like brite skins,bright rox\grens etc.

ive tried QW more than once and both times given up cos its simply so hard compard to newer games,if it wasnt for that i give it a go but as if ppl gonna take it easy

sorry if u think im having a go,im not,i know QW is and was a great game but now i think its mainly hardcore players that r so good at it its bound to put most newcomers off for good......
so i stick to toddling rnd playing Bots if i fancy a bit of Q1 DM,Least i can kill them

thnx 4 reading,if u completly disagree then so be it,is just my opinion 4 wat its worth (prob not much on QW forum lol)



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[blito]

wow! you can kill bots! you must be a god......
hhehe- i find QW is a hard game to master- i`m an average player- took the best part of a year to get average- and am likely to stay that way
now- where are this net servers that arent on the BW master?

[jaymetz]

Sorry guys...

u will have 2 exlplain 'fullbrights' i have never heard of them!!

yes i agree QW is hard 2 master, and if u r average. i must b SH1T!!!

All i know is that i like the game, and although it is : out of date, out of date and out of date, with moderate graphics, we all must admit, that it is a very enjoyable game..

Jamie